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Urusei Yatsura Fan-Art, Graphics and CG's / Re: Urusei Yatsura NES
« Last post by Oldfan on August 23, 2017, 07:43:03 AM »
I can't believe I missed this the last time I logged in, sorry about that.  :(

Post away, you might be able to toss them the Pictures section too actually.  :)
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Movies, OAV & TV Series / Re: Theory regarding the 'ending' as we loosely call it
« Last post by Oldfan on August 23, 2017, 07:41:25 AM »
- I'd argue Oyuki can be violent when provoked. Inaba seems the least likely to resort to violence really ever.

- Onsen just seems like he just sort of gave up after a certain point. I can't blame him, but since he loves to teach, he put it on himself to be responsible of that class.

- Which Sawamura fight though? Both of Sawamura's fights were great against Makunouchi and Mashiba. Takamura vs Bryan Hawk was always a great fight.

- Kitsune was just fairly boring to me in general because while his stories were always one-dimensional like Kurama's, Kitsune didn't have the benefit of having his stories being interesting like Kurama. Ataru when he first met Mendou in the manga he pulled some ninja trick on him. He pulls skills out of his hat whenever the situation arises.

- Shame really that he never really appeared anymore and went the same way the Stormtroopers did in the manga.

- Lol. Ryoko may have tendencies that feel like incest, but she just acts like that towards Mendou, Ataru, and especially Tobimaro. Asuka is definitely the one who really has this weird love for her brother.

- Fair enough on the ending. It is a pretty controversial topic.

- Takahashi always seemed to like Shinobu, so I can understand her giving Shinobu a happy ending for herself.

Violent in a 'someone gets impaled by a number of ice spears' kind of way, or crushed by a huge ice boulder. I don't ever see Inaba resorting to violence unless he has to like in his second manga appearance. Even then, he wasn't very good at it.

I still like the story with his revenge, and how he and Ataru both dug huge holes right next to each other and never noticed each other despite they were right next to each other practically.

Makunouchi vs. Sawamura, and on a good note I found a site that has a number of anime movies and series open for streaming has Hajime No Ippo so I'll play some catch up this coming weekend.

Kitsune felt like a character created to occupy a space and basically take up some time. Movie 4 was somewhere in that timeframe, but using him even afterwards just felt odd. With Kurama, I wondered why she didn't fire her little Karastengu after they kept finding her bad choices.

Another example of a character introduced and then nothing comes of it.

Ryoko also seemed to be another one, at least in the manga it seemed, to have extra detail placed on her artwork. Sakura's artwork was always highly detailed, Ryoko's seemed to be and then Lum initially had a lot of detail if she dressed up until we settled on her final art design.

The GF finished 105 and 106, I heard her distinctly say "Ha! Screw you Mendou!" when she was done. She had a lot of questions about that two parter as now she wants to read he English translation of the manga when she's done with the series. Thankfully I can make a PDF of all the images and put it on her Kindle.

Also, thanks again for the heads up about Pixiv, I found the artpage of one of the people I follow on Twitter and was able to see their artwork more easily. You might appreciate this fanart that I found on Deviant Art. https://www.deviantart.com/art/Lum-696097005

As for the ending, like I said, 5 more minutes of animation / a couple artwork panels with a private moment between them is all that would have been needed and myself and a number of others would likely be happy.

Considering that, and how much Shinobu suffered, I'd hate to see what she would do to a character she really didn't like at all.

Oh, an additional aside, since it's Wednesday at 1:40am est when I'm posting this, 'yesterday' evening (Tuesday) I went out to my local bookstore and I had my IPod playing the soundtrack for The Final Chapter in the car. A Japanese couple that were in the lot apparently heard the music and approached me saying it'd been a long time since they heard music from Urusei Yatsura and that it was nice to see people still liked it.
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Movies, OAV & TV Series / Re: Theory regarding the 'ending' as we loosely call it
« Last post by Seiryu on August 22, 2017, 06:12:14 AM »
- There are certainly a lot of violent acts the characters commit in the series, despite some of them presenting themselves as not being so violent in nature.

- Well, Onsen could have transferred to teaching a different class or something, but even he seems to take pleasure in torturing the students whenever he gets the chance to do so. Makes you wonder how they ever got together Ataru's parents. He definitely takes qualities from both, but it's pretty clear his traits from his mother are more dominant and prominent.

- Depends when. He's had to stop fighting for a bit on few rare occasions. Did you get pass the Sawamura fight? If so, then I probably know what instance you're talking about.d

- Elle's one appearance sure didn't stop her from having cameos in the anime and even getting a few drawings from Takahashi. She feels sort of like a tragic villain, but she was sort of a nutcase what with the whole freezing her "beloveds". Yeah, I definitely wasn't ever feeling the Kitsune stories. They were pretty boring to me. It was a done deal for Lum's memory loss from the moment she saw him flying the helicopter. It only was over for Mendou even quicker when she heard that his name was Ataru. Mendou really trying to kill Ataru is just lol. Amazing how Ataru can ride a motorcycle and fly a copter.

- Lol. Hanawa was a funny one. Shame he pretty much became utterly irrelevant. Would have liked to see him appear in a few more stories. He didn't want to believe Lum was an alien, but he definitely wasn't a bad dude at heart.

- He'd be back against a wall for sure. Sure now Ataru has the excuse of being in high school, but after college? All bets are off, the longer he holds it off, the worse it'd get for him. She probably wouldn't mind waiting initially longer after they just get out of college, but it just become a game of time since he's either going to propose himself, or she going to give him a "push" to motivate him to propose sooner or later.

- So you're GF saw the episode Cherry pretty much told Mendou how inferior he is to Ataru. It's common knowledge by that point in the series that everyone knows Ataru loves Lum (hell, Ataru on some level is aware of it himself too) but as you said, it's really one of those things they don't really discuss openly.

- I can't blame them. While I'm fairly at peace with the ending, it's pretty understandable that you'd want a more concrete resolution to a couple you put a lot of investment into and grew to care about.

- Knowing it's a Takahashi story though, chances of most characters getting their plots resolved is slim, especially when there's a case that can be made that her own main couples haven't had proper endings.

I'd have to say the only truly non-violent person in the entire show might be Oyuki. Ataru lost a bit of credibility with the boxing glove episode, even if punching Mendou and Megane was for a good cause.

I think the one time he was going to leave, the transfer was declined by the other school - reputation must have preceded him. With Ataru's parents, I found it funny we only saw something of them in the past when Lum traveled back to try and 'correct' Ataru's fickleness. We got more of Lum's parents in the episode where her mother kicked him out than we ever did of his parents, odd but telling that maybe his parents weren't deemed important. Considering their respective traits, other than his father being the employed bread winner so to speak, his mother fell outside the norms of society with her more assertive nature.

I left off right after Sawamura actually. Thanks to YouTube I've seen Takamura's most notable fights, but not the series as a whole.

Everyone pretty much gets a cameo when it's a UY film or OVA. Ruu and Lahla were seen as passersby on the street in an episode when Lum was out on her own around the time the third movie was coming out. Heck, the witch that crafted the curse for that movie was also in the cameo crowd of guests in the Inaba OVA. I just still think the overall reaction to Elle from Ataru was amusing. Yes he was just taken and saw Lum almost die, but he shifted pretty well to discussing a harem, and then he saw Elle. His reaction of all the males was perhaps the most tame along with Mendou's. But as far as crazy is concerned, freezing 99,999 men is pretty much right up there as the craziest woman in all of the UY-verse. As for Kitsune, one appearance was enough. If it weren't for the fact that in those episodes there's some decent interactions with others, I'd probably just hit skip on the player and move on. Ataru just pulls skills out of nowhere, but when she saw him, her eyes brightened up and Mendou sure scrambled fast. Then later she realizes he's the person she can't remember but knows he's important enough that she needs to remember him.

I liked Hanawa, his inabilty to accept that Lum was an alien was funny. You know, horns are the mark of a strange disease, her flight doesn't mean anything because she didn't have shorts on under the school uniform skirt. Nevermind the fact her father is a giant in comparison to humans, and she cheerfully eletrocuted Ataru in class, or that her UFO was brought outside the school. His temper though was the complete opposite of Onsen-Mark's and I had to laugh when he decided it was up to Ataru to be Lum's constant helper in school. Poor Ataru, that worked out just how Lum wanted it to.

She laughed at the episode, and she also likes Ryoko because of the fact she takes it on herself to blow up Mendou. The only thing she says is really creepy about her is that near incestual attachment she has to him. I told her wait until Asuka appears. But tonight she plans on watching 94-104. She was going to stop at 105 and I told her no, if you do that you'll want to watch 106 because it's a two parter and it's important to see them both consecutively. She also wanted to know if I had anything else by Takahashi, I said I have all of Maison on my drive (well, the TV series - I don't have the OVAs). I told her to wait a month before watching that, it's all about the relationship, but it's all about lousy communication in the process.

For me acceptance and peace are different things, I accept the ending, but not peacefully - hence the long discussion we've had lol.

Well, in looking at UY the only plotlines that likely might matter is showing Shinobu's resolution with Inaba, which should get an OVA of it's own and MAYBE poor Ryuunosuke getting some vindication for her torture. Ran and Rei is easy, they go off someplace and kiss, that's all Ran wants. Sakura and Tsubame (who?) is easy, they set a date and leave it at that, no one really cares with Mendou or the Stromtroopers so that leaves Ataru and Lum. They'd have to torture them a little, it's the nature of the beast to do that to them, but it's possible. At least I can think it is lol.
- I'd argue Oyuki can be violent when provoked. Inaba seems the least likely to resort to violence really ever.

- Onsen just seems like he just sort of gave up after a certain point. I can't blame him, but since he loves to teach, he put it on himself to be responsible of that class.

- Which Sawamura fight though? Both of Sawamura's fights were great against Makunouchi and Mashiba. Takamura vs Bryan Hawk was always a great fight.

- Kitsune was just fairly boring to me in general because while his stories were always one-dimensional like Kurama's, Kitsune didn't have the benefit of having his stories being interesting like Kurama. Ataru when he first met Mendou in the manga he pulled some ninja trick on him. He pulls skills out of his hat whenever the situation arises.

- Shame really that he never really appeared anymore and went the same way the Stormtroopers did in the manga.

- Lol. Ryoko may have tendencies that feel like incest, but she just acts like that towards Mendou, Ataru, and especially Tobimaro. Asuka is definitely the one who really has this weird love for her brother.

- Fair enough on the ending. It is a pretty controversial topic.

- Takahashi always seemed to like Shinobu, so I can understand her giving Shinobu a happy ending for herself.
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YouTube Movies UY * Lum Related / Re: Awesome "Lum no Love Song" remix
« Last post by Oldfan on August 21, 2017, 09:39:03 PM »
Not too bad of a remix, here's one for you to check out as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLCnKI-dIk
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Urusei Yatsura Fan-Art, Graphics and CG's / Re: Urusei Yatsura NES
« Last post by KasugaKyosuke15 on August 19, 2017, 02:06:11 AM »
Thanks.  :)
Here are some of the alternate shading versions.

Since NES sprites can only have 3 colors+transparency, I experimented taking away some colors in favor of other ones.
(For example, getting rid of the dark green for an extra skin shade) But I ended up going with the one in the first post.
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YouTube Movies UY * Lum Related / Awesome "Lum no Love Song" remix
« Last post by KasugaKyosuke15 on August 19, 2017, 01:48:51 AM »
Check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nCZQsM_DHw
I think this remix album came out in 1992 or so, but that could be wrong.
Either way I'm loving this one. Mixes for other songs like Dancing Star and Pajama-Jama-Da are out there too.
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Movies, OAV & TV Series / Re: Theory regarding the 'ending' as we loosely call it
« Last post by Oldfan on August 18, 2017, 06:33:30 PM »
- There are certainly a lot of violent acts the characters commit in the series, despite some of them presenting themselves as not being so violent in nature.

- Well, Onsen could have transferred to teaching a different class or something, but even he seems to take pleasure in torturing the students whenever he gets the chance to do so. Makes you wonder how they ever got together Ataru's parents. He definitely takes qualities from both, but it's pretty clear his traits from his mother are more dominant and prominent.

- Depends when. He's had to stop fighting for a bit on few rare occasions. Did you get pass the Sawamura fight? If so, then I probably know what instance you're talking about.d

- Elle's one appearance sure didn't stop her from having cameos in the anime and even getting a few drawings from Takahashi. She feels sort of like a tragic villain, but she was sort of a nutcase what with the whole freezing her "beloveds". Yeah, I definitely wasn't ever feeling the Kitsune stories. They were pretty boring to me. It was a done deal for Lum's memory loss from the moment she saw him flying the helicopter. It only was over for Mendou even quicker when she heard that his name was Ataru. Mendou really trying to kill Ataru is just lol. Amazing how Ataru can ride a motorcycle and fly a copter.

- Lol. Hanawa was a funny one. Shame he pretty much became utterly irrelevant. Would have liked to see him appear in a few more stories. He didn't want to believe Lum was an alien, but he definitely wasn't a bad dude at heart.

- He'd be back against a wall for sure. Sure now Ataru has the excuse of being in high school, but after college? All bets are off, the longer he holds it off, the worse it'd get for him. She probably wouldn't mind waiting initially longer after they just get out of college, but it just become a game of time since he's either going to propose himself, or she going to give him a "push" to motivate him to propose sooner or later.

- So you're GF saw the episode Cherry pretty much told Mendou how inferior he is to Ataru. It's common knowledge by that point in the series that everyone knows Ataru loves Lum (hell, Ataru on some level is aware of it himself too) but as you said, it's really one of those things they don't really discuss openly.

- I can't blame them. While I'm fairly at peace with the ending, it's pretty understandable that you'd want a more concrete resolution to a couple you put a lot of investment into and grew to care about.

- Knowing it's a Takahashi story though, chances of most characters getting their plots resolved is slim, especially when there's a case that can be made that her own main couples haven't had proper endings.

I'd have to say the only truly non-violent person in the entire show might be Oyuki. Ataru lost a bit of credibility with the boxing glove episode, even if punching Mendou and Megane was for a good cause.

I think the one time he was going to leave, the transfer was declined by the other school - reputation must have preceded him. With Ataru's parents, I found it funny we only saw something of them in the past when Lum traveled back to try and 'correct' Ataru's fickleness. We got more of Lum's parents in the episode where her mother kicked him out than we ever did of his parents, odd but telling that maybe his parents weren't deemed important. Considering their respective traits, other than his father being the employed bread winner so to speak, his mother fell outside the norms of society with her more assertive nature.

I left off right after Sawamura actually. Thanks to YouTube I've seen Takamura's most notable fights, but not the series as a whole.

Everyone pretty much gets a cameo when it's a UY film or OVA. Ruu and Lahla were seen as passersby on the street in an episode when Lum was out on her own around the time the third movie was coming out. Heck, the witch that crafted the curse for that movie was also in the cameo crowd of guests in the Inaba OVA. I just still think the overall reaction to Elle from Ataru was amusing. Yes he was just taken and saw Lum almost die, but he shifted pretty well to discussing a harem, and then he saw Elle. His reaction of all the males was perhaps the most tame along with Mendou's. But as far as crazy is concerned, freezing 99,999 men is pretty much right up there as the craziest woman in all of the UY-verse. As for Kitsune, one appearance was enough. If it weren't for the fact that in those episodes there's some decent interactions with others, I'd probably just hit skip on the player and move on. Ataru just pulls skills out of nowhere, but when she saw him, her eyes brightened up and Mendou sure scrambled fast. Then later she realizes he's the person she can't remember but knows he's important enough that she needs to remember him.

I liked Hanawa, his inabilty to accept that Lum was an alien was funny. You know, horns are the mark of a strange disease, her flight doesn't mean anything because she didn't have shorts on under the school uniform skirt. Nevermind the fact her father is a giant in comparison to humans, and she cheerfully eletrocuted Ataru in class, or that her UFO was brought outside the school. His temper though was the complete opposite of Onsen-Mark's and I had to laugh when he decided it was up to Ataru to be Lum's constant helper in school. Poor Ataru, that worked out just how Lum wanted it to.

She laughed at the episode, and she also likes Ryoko because of the fact she takes it on herself to blow up Mendou. The only thing she says is really creepy about her is that near incestual attachment she has to him. I told her wait until Asuka appears. But tonight she plans on watching 94-104. She was going to stop at 105 and I told her no, if you do that you'll want to watch 106 because it's a two parter and it's important to see them both consecutively. She also wanted to know if I had anything else by Takahashi, I said I have all of Maison on my drive (well, the TV series - I don't have the OVAs). I told her to wait a month before watching that, it's all about the relationship, but it's all about lousy communication in the process.

For me acceptance and peace are different things, I accept the ending, but not peacefully - hence the long discussion we've had lol.

Well, in looking at UY the only plotlines that likely might matter is showing Shinobu's resolution with Inaba, which should get an OVA of it's own and MAYBE poor Ryuunosuke getting some vindication for her torture. Ran and Rei is easy, they go off someplace and kiss, that's all Ran wants. Sakura and Tsubame (who?) is easy, they set a date and leave it at that, no one really cares with Mendou or the Stromtroopers so that leaves Ataru and Lum. They'd have to torture them a little, it's the nature of the beast to do that to them, but it's possible. At least I can think it is lol.
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Movies, OAV & TV Series / Re: Theory regarding the 'ending' as we loosely call it
« Last post by Seiryu on August 18, 2017, 06:26:54 AM »
He's the village idiot and the village curse all rolled into one, until something happens and only he can save Lum (let's face it, everything was either one or the other in danger). Biggest inconsistency - Benten couldn't get there in time in Movie 5, and the bike did warp speed in Movie 6. That was a huh what moment right there. I also find it funny that at least in the english translated manga, Lum says she's a pacifist, she's got the worst temper next to Ran.

There are times I felt bad for Onsen-Mark, the amount of disrespect he got was incredible. He didn't help his case though since he was enthralled with Sakura, something the students recognized early on and actually called him out on. But yeah, their major fault as a couple is they don't communicate, and the fact that Ataru was actually the initiator of that discussion was interesting because no one is more horrible at communicating than he is. Not that he had good examples to follow; his father barely spoke and his mother punctuated things she said with "I never should have had him".

I found a site that streams Rin-ne, so I guess I have something to watch when I have downtime. Hajime no Ippo is another I'm way behind on though.

Kurama has one quality she shares with Lum, bad taste in men (even if Lum is the only one that can get Ataru's good points to come out.) From Ataru to Mendou to Rei with a dash of Ryuunosuke thrown in because everyone thinks she is a boy at one point or another. Another amusing Mendou fail, when Ryoko appeared and Mendou had to admit Ataru is more tenacious than him and then later Mendou's fatehr even admits Ataru is superior to Mendou.

Cherry and his sister are SO short, and then you get Sakura. Never a mention of who her father was, and probably for the better as her mother was basically Cherry with a wig. If classes were called off a lot when it was Ataru causing problems, I could almost see weeks being called off because of their kids as sections of the school are vaporized.

Classic "Never thinks of the consequences", unless he benefits. Which I assume he must if we are to take that ever mentioned Inaba story into account. Unless of course Lum loses her patience and asks him to marry her, which she's not above doing.

There's another murder I see, one day Ryuunosuke murders her father because of how much of a jerk he is.

She made it to the dolphin episode last night. This morning she goes, "So he yells out loud she's his woman - what happens now?" I just laughed. She was not amused.

Takahashi is horrible with couples, I'm convinced to a degree she might dislike them as only one couple has ever been truly successful. I guess they all are to a degree, but Maison is the only series that cleanly ended.

There are people that have expressed a desire for a continuation or new UY, but it would need Takahashi's blessing to be done. I'm not against it, as long as the people don't do something drastic. If they can keep the spirit of the original somehow and make valid character progress, I'd give it a shot.
- Lol, Lum a pacifist. I believe that as much as I believe that Lum will ever stop loving Ataru. Lum's saving grace compared to Ran is she doesn't just get angry abruptly and at the drop of a hat. Lum is usually more composed than Ran is.

- Yeah, he was a character you could really feel bad for. Though as you mentioned, he didn't ever really help his own case. He knew many times he was playing with fire when he tried messing with them or being strict with them. He's been at this too long. I imagine his parents being quite happy with one another and even with Ataru early on in their marriage and within Ataru's first few years.

- Ippo takes forever to get through for a variety of reasons (some fights and plot lines get dragged out or repeated as well as the fact that this series focuses on several different characters which is a huge plus for me). I've been going through the Second Rookie Kings tournament now between Itagaki and Imai. I'm fond of many of the characters though my favorites consist of Ippo, Miyata, Kumi, Mashiba, Volg and Date.

- Lum, Elle, Kurama, and Ran all have terrible taste in men. That's just a fact. As for Mendou, his father always seemed to be neutral with Ataru and even greeted him when Ataru first showed up at the Mendou Estate in Ryoko's debut. Hilarious really. Must be frustrating being told by characters (Cherry and your own father), or even just shown to be inferior to the one guy you hate the most but have no chance of ever coming out on top of him. Mendou "has it all" except Lum, but that's the "only thing" Ataru has over him (as far as the characters in the series want to believe), but that's all he really needs to be over Mendou. His enemy managed to attract the girl he wants but can't ever get. Really must eat him up inside to have to deal with it lol. Can't say I feel sorry lol, he was never an ideal choice for Lum, nor has she ever expressed interest in him romantically either.

- The students probably at certain times make it a point to have the classroom trashed enough so that they wouldn't have to come to school the following few days. I'd imagine that while Onsen wanted them to be at school and wanted to teach even when the school was in ruins, a small part of him probably cherished the fact that he would have time away from them.

- I could see Lum herself pressuring him into it at some point about asking for him to propose to her. Of course, if Ataru was to either propose or accept, that would be him essentially declaring his love for her, which is something he said he'd do pretty much when he felt ready. Meaning, marrying Lum would already mean he loves her, but he'd pretty much would have to confess that he does openly by that point.

- He's got that annoying father toonforce going for him. He'll likely outlive most characters on that fact alone, because he's such a vile person.

- Lol, to answer your GF's question, simply put what happens next is: The series goes on the same it's always been. She's at that point where their relationship is at the level where the love is mutual between the two, Ataru rarely shows it, but definitely makes it a point to show he cares when he has to. The relationship doesn't really make a big leap in progress again for some time.

-  I guess part of it might be because Takahashi clearly wrote Maison Ikkoku as more romance focused than her other series. UY is arguably the least focused on romance thinking about it. To many, it feels like Takahashi trolls the couples. The worst part is, since Maison is really the exception and not the standard, you don't even get surprised when somebody tells you about their irritation or frustration or issues with how each relationships resolution is handled in her works.

- Personally, I don't even think the series really needs to continue with another series. I think maybe a few new stories or like an original special or OVA could potentially be a great thing for UY. To really send it off with an even bigger bang.

Ran is about the prime example of bi-polar in UY, but when Lum does lose it, forget it. Of course, she never blew up the house, Ten did though, when he first appeared and Ataru swatted the propane delivery guy with the frying pan. Ten torched Ataru and the tanks, that house was annihilated lol.

Onsen-Mark was the example of the devoted teacher, who believed in what he was doing. He just got stuck with that class, and despite all the claims it was Ataru's fault that things were disrupted, others had a hand in it too. The one thing I always felt was odd with Ataru's parents was their distinctly different personalities. His mother was definitely an opportunist, while his father was definitely a quiet, reserved type. I can only imagine that Ataru changed them into that, but I can also clearly see their influences o in Ataru. He's definitely an opportunist, and his personality is shy and reserved.

I'm probably not nearly as far into Ippo as you are, the last I saw was that Ippo had to stop fighting, I could be industrious and look it up but is that still the case?

It's too bad Elle was a one shot for the first movie, she could have been a good returning character to use for some kind of revenge. After all, Ataru and company basically destroyed the bubble she called her life. Mendou's father I found entertaining, his time in Goat and the Cheese OVA was fun, unfortunately that's a prime example of letting a good character go to waste while the amount of kitsune episodes was silly. But it was good to see how fast Lum shot down Mendou, even if he never accepted it. The scales episode when she compared them and basically they were equal. "It means you're just as much an idiot!" But then Lum says it's up to her decide, and without even hesitating, she went right to Ataru. In Ep 106, it would have been more satisfying to see her completely zap Mendou once she had her memory back. But still, must have been a nice dig, she was drawn to Ataru even when she forgot who he was.

I'd say he looked forward to summer vacation more than the kids did. Funny how his opposite was Hanawa, "Embrace the spirit of learning", and the fact that he couldn't accept in any fashion that Lum was an alien.

I'd have to say that it'd happen by their mid-20's at the latest. The Oni seem to be all about families and such, and Lum is about the most eager to settle down of everyone in that show, and I'd even say to combine the others and she still has them beat. I also think that because slowly but surely Lum knows what buttons to push, by that time he'd pretty much be cornered.

Sad but true, and I really have no words to express how much I hate his presence in the manga. He's actually more of a complete dirtbag in that than the anime.

In the past couple of days she's binged all the way to Ep 93. She was wondering why they did a highlights episode, I told her this was around the time Beautiful Dreamer was about to hit, and this is a prelude in a way to Ep 105/106. Then she asked if the little creepy monk knows he loves her, do the others? I said, they do, they just don't talk of it.

While I liked Maison, I will admit to it being one of the more painful romance stories in anime that comes to mind. Which makes me think you're right in that Takahashi does troll her couples. I actually follow some Japanese people on twitter, mostly because they all seem to be artists who do amazing work, but it's their private passion and not their profession. The sheer amount of UY fans there still is staggering, and they HATE the way Takahashi does relationships in her work.

If it was to be a series, it could be done in 12 episode countdown to a full and complete end. This way they don't rush a lot into one slot, and can maybe even take care of more than one character.
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- There are certainly a lot of violent acts the characters commit in the series, despite some of them presenting themselves as not being so violent in nature.

- Well, Onsen could have transferred to teaching a different class or something, but even he seems to take pleasure in torturing the students whenever he gets the chance to do so. Makes you wonder how they ever got together Ataru's parents. He definitely takes qualities from both, but it's pretty clear his traits from his mother are more dominant and prominent.

- Depends when. He's had to stop fighting for a bit on few rare occasions. Did you get pass the Sawamura fight? If so, then I probably know what instance you're talking about.d

- Elle's one appearance sure didn't stop her from having cameos in the anime and even getting a few drawings from Takahashi. She feels sort of like a tragic villain, but she was sort of a nutcase what with the whole freezing her "beloveds". Yeah, I definitely wasn't ever feeling the Kitsune stories. They were pretty boring to me. It was a done deal for Lum's memory loss from the moment she saw him flying the helicopter. It only was over for Mendou even quicker when she heard that his name was Ataru. Mendou really trying to kill Ataru is just lol. Amazing how Ataru can ride a motorcycle and fly a copter.

- Lol. Hanawa was a funny one. Shame he pretty much became utterly irrelevant. Would have liked to see him appear in a few more stories. He didn't want to believe Lum was an alien, but he definitely wasn't a bad dude at heart.

- He'd be back against a wall for sure. Sure now Ataru has the excuse of being in high school, but after college? All bets are off, the longer he holds it off, the worse it'd get for him. She probably wouldn't mind waiting initially longer after they just get out of college, but it just become a game of time since he's either going to propose himself, or she going to give him a "push" to motivate him to propose sooner or later.

- So you're GF saw the episode Cherry pretty much told Mendou how inferior he is to Ataru. It's common knowledge by that point in the series that everyone knows Ataru loves Lum (hell, Ataru on some level is aware of it himself too) but as you said, it's really one of those things they don't really discuss openly.

- I can't blame them. While I'm fairly at peace with the ending, it's pretty understandable that you'd want a more concrete resolution to a couple you put a lot of investment into and grew to care about.

- Knowing it's a Takahashi story though, chances of most characters getting their plots resolved is slim, especially when there's a case that can be made that her own main couples haven't had proper endings.
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Movies, OAV & TV Series / Re: Theory regarding the 'ending' as we loosely call it
« Last post by Oldfan on August 18, 2017, 04:03:10 AM »
He's the village idiot and the village curse all rolled into one, until something happens and only he can save Lum (let's face it, everything was either one or the other in danger). Biggest inconsistency - Benten couldn't get there in time in Movie 5, and the bike did warp speed in Movie 6. That was a huh what moment right there. I also find it funny that at least in the english translated manga, Lum says she's a pacifist, she's got the worst temper next to Ran.

There are times I felt bad for Onsen-Mark, the amount of disrespect he got was incredible. He didn't help his case though since he was enthralled with Sakura, something the students recognized early on and actually called him out on. But yeah, their major fault as a couple is they don't communicate, and the fact that Ataru was actually the initiator of that discussion was interesting because no one is more horrible at communicating than he is. Not that he had good examples to follow; his father barely spoke and his mother punctuated things she said with "I never should have had him".

I found a site that streams Rin-ne, so I guess I have something to watch when I have downtime. Hajime no Ippo is another I'm way behind on though.

Kurama has one quality she shares with Lum, bad taste in men (even if Lum is the only one that can get Ataru's good points to come out.) From Ataru to Mendou to Rei with a dash of Ryuunosuke thrown in because everyone thinks she is a boy at one point or another. Another amusing Mendou fail, when Ryoko appeared and Mendou had to admit Ataru is more tenacious than him and then later Mendou's fatehr even admits Ataru is superior to Mendou.

Cherry and his sister are SO short, and then you get Sakura. Never a mention of who her father was, and probably for the better as her mother was basically Cherry with a wig. If classes were called off a lot when it was Ataru causing problems, I could almost see weeks being called off because of their kids as sections of the school are vaporized.

Classic "Never thinks of the consequences", unless he benefits. Which I assume he must if we are to take that ever mentioned Inaba story into account. Unless of course Lum loses her patience and asks him to marry her, which she's not above doing.

There's another murder I see, one day Ryuunosuke murders her father because of how much of a jerk he is.

She made it to the dolphin episode last night. This morning she goes, "So he yells out loud she's his woman - what happens now?" I just laughed. She was not amused.

Takahashi is horrible with couples, I'm convinced to a degree she might dislike them as only one couple has ever been truly successful. I guess they all are to a degree, but Maison is the only series that cleanly ended.

There are people that have expressed a desire for a continuation or new UY, but it would need Takahashi's blessing to be done. I'm not against it, as long as the people don't do something drastic. If they can keep the spirit of the original somehow and make valid character progress, I'd give it a shot.
- Lol, Lum a pacifist. I believe that as much as I believe that Lum will ever stop loving Ataru. Lum's saving grace compared to Ran is she doesn't just get angry abruptly and at the drop of a hat. Lum is usually more composed than Ran is.

- Yeah, he was a character you could really feel bad for. Though as you mentioned, he didn't ever really help his own case. He knew many times he was playing with fire when he tried messing with them or being strict with them. He's been at this too long. I imagine his parents being quite happy with one another and even with Ataru early on in their marriage and within Ataru's first few years.

- Ippo takes forever to get through for a variety of reasons (some fights and plot lines get dragged out or repeated as well as the fact that this series focuses on several different characters which is a huge plus for me). I've been going through the Second Rookie Kings tournament now between Itagaki and Imai. I'm fond of many of the characters though my favorites consist of Ippo, Miyata, Kumi, Mashiba, Volg and Date.

- Lum, Elle, Kurama, and Ran all have terrible taste in men. That's just a fact. As for Mendou, his father always seemed to be neutral with Ataru and even greeted him when Ataru first showed up at the Mendou Estate in Ryoko's debut. Hilarious really. Must be frustrating being told by characters (Cherry and your own father), or even just shown to be inferior to the one guy you hate the most but have no chance of ever coming out on top of him. Mendou "has it all" except Lum, but that's the "only thing" Ataru has over him (as far as the characters in the series want to believe), but that's all he really needs to be over Mendou. His enemy managed to attract the girl he wants but can't ever get. Really must eat him up inside to have to deal with it lol. Can't say I feel sorry lol, he was never an ideal choice for Lum, nor has she ever expressed interest in him romantically either.

- The students probably at certain times make it a point to have the classroom trashed enough so that they wouldn't have to come to school the following few days. I'd imagine that while Onsen wanted them to be at school and wanted to teach even when the school was in ruins, a small part of him probably cherished the fact that he would have time away from them.

- I could see Lum herself pressuring him into it at some point about asking for him to propose to her. Of course, if Ataru was to either propose or accept, that would be him essentially declaring his love for her, which is something he said he'd do pretty much when he felt ready. Meaning, marrying Lum would already mean he loves her, but he'd pretty much would have to confess that he does openly by that point.

- He's got that annoying father toonforce going for him. He'll likely outlive most characters on that fact alone, because he's such a vile person.

- Lol, to answer your GF's question, simply put what happens next is: The series goes on the same it's always been. She's at that point where their relationship is at the level where the love is mutual between the two, Ataru rarely shows it, but definitely makes it a point to show he cares when he has to. The relationship doesn't really make a big leap in progress again for some time.

-  I guess part of it might be because Takahashi clearly wrote Maison Ikkoku as more romance focused than her other series. UY is arguably the least focused on romance thinking about it. To many, it feels like Takahashi trolls the couples. The worst part is, since Maison is really the exception and not the standard, you don't even get surprised when somebody tells you about their irritation or frustration or issues with how each relationships resolution is handled in her works.

- Personally, I don't even think the series really needs to continue with another series. I think maybe a few new stories or like an original special or OVA could potentially be a great thing for UY. To really send it off with an even bigger bang.
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Ran is about the prime example of bi-polar in UY, but when Lum does lose it, forget it. Of course, she never blew up the house, Ten did though, when he first appeared and Ataru swatted the propane delivery guy with the frying pan. Ten torched Ataru and the tanks, that house was annihilated lol.

Onsen-Mark was the example of the devoted teacher, who believed in what he was doing. He just got stuck with that class, and despite all the claims it was Ataru's fault that things were disrupted, others had a hand in it too. The one thing I always felt was odd with Ataru's parents was their distinctly different personalities. His mother was definitely an opportunist, while his father was definitely a quiet, reserved type. I can only imagine that Ataru changed them into that, but I can also clearly see their influences o in Ataru. He's definitely an opportunist, and his personality is shy and reserved.

I'm probably not nearly as far into Ippo as you are, the last I saw was that Ippo had to stop fighting, I could be industrious and look it up but is that still the case?

It's too bad Elle was a one shot for the first movie, she could have been a good returning character to use for some kind of revenge. After all, Ataru and company basically destroyed the bubble she called her life. Mendou's father I found entertaining, his time in Goat and the Cheese OVA was fun, unfortunately that's a prime example of letting a good character go to waste while the amount of kitsune episodes was silly. But it was good to see how fast Lum shot down Mendou, even if he never accepted it. The scales episode when she compared them and basically they were equal. "It means you're just as much an idiot!" But then Lum says it's up to her decide, and without even hesitating, she went right to Ataru. In Ep 106, it would have been more satisfying to see her completely zap Mendou once she had her memory back. But still, must have been a nice dig, she was drawn to Ataru even when she forgot who he was.

I'd say he looked forward to summer vacation more than the kids did. Funny how his opposite was Hanawa, "Embrace the spirit of learning", and the fact that he couldn't accept in any fashion that Lum was an alien.

I'd have to say that it'd happen by their mid-20's at the latest. The Oni seem to be all about families and such, and Lum is about the most eager to settle down of everyone in that show, and I'd even say to combine the others and she still has them beat. I also think that because slowly but surely Lum knows what buttons to push, by that time he'd pretty much be cornered.

Sad but true, and I really have no words to express how much I hate his presence in the manga. He's actually more of a complete dirtbag in that than the anime.

In the past couple of days she's binged all the way to Ep 93. She was wondering why they did a highlights episode, I told her this was around the time Beautiful Dreamer was about to hit, and this is a prelude in a way to Ep 105/106. Then she asked if the little creepy monk knows he loves her, do the others? I said, they do, they just don't talk of it.

While I liked Maison, I will admit to it being one of the more painful romance stories in anime that comes to mind. Which makes me think you're right in that Takahashi does troll her couples. I actually follow some Japanese people on twitter, mostly because they all seem to be artists who do amazing work, but it's their private passion and not their profession. The sheer amount of UY fans there still is staggering, and they HATE the way Takahashi does relationships in her work.

If it was to be a series, it could be done in 12 episode countdown to a full and complete end. This way they don't rush a lot into one slot, and can maybe even take care of more than one character.
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Movies, OAV & TV Series / Re: Theory regarding the 'ending' as we loosely call it
« Last post by Seiryu on August 16, 2017, 02:43:55 AM »
- When you're labeled the village idiot, it's always easy to just blame you for everything. Just another inconsistency. Same with Ataru's durability, Benten's bike speed had to be nerfed to prevent her from rescuing Ataru and Lum (something she'd be able to do in any other story of the series). She was a pretty rebellious youth herself that Lum. She probably does find that side of Ataru attractive to some degree.

- Onsen is just the favorite guinea pig is all. More specifically, I guess Takahashi just found it more appropriate to use Onsen because he was a good butt monkey to the students. Ataru couldn't realistically answer that question for Lum, but he already knows, once she's angry, there's no reasoning with her til she calms down. So, why not make sport of it, and run away from her? He definitely deserved the electrocution she gave him this time, doubled over. I liked how the OVA highlighted a major flaw within Ataru and Lum's communication (or lack thereof) as a couple. Lum despises that Ataru constantly flirts with every woman he sees, and Ataru hates how Lum always electrocutes and how clingy she can be. Valid points they bring up about one another that prevents their relationship from truly progressing I'd say.

- Yeah, it's still on-going. I have to catch up to it personally. I've been occupied with other series like Hajime no Ippo, Black Jack and BnHA.

- Yeah, there was never any point to having Kurama appear again after a certain point. Only You has Kurama in a small but decent role that has her state perfectly why it makes no sense for her to appear anymore. Like I get what they went for with having all those characters reappearing again in the finale, but it just made no sense in the context of her character since she hates both Ataru and Lum and has zero reason to be on earth to watch the events of their lover's quarrel when she wants nothing to do with either of them. Mendou had ample time, and Ataru was even being restrained, yet Mendou still got beaten by Ataru out of scoring a kiss. Pretty pathetic of Mendou tbh.

- Sakura's family is arguably even more strange than Mendou's family. Largely due to the fact that there's more questions for that family than I would have for Mendou's family. Lol, I can see it now: A married Ataru and Lum get into a feud and their children take their feelings about it out on the school, and there's not a damn thing really anyone can do about it.

- No, he obviously wasn't completely serious. The biggest clue to that was the sheer fact that we as the audience realize that he had kept her horns with him (this was before Lum herself knew he had them). He clearly never meant it.

- The manga was usually a bit more mean-spirited and blunt than the anime was most of the time. The anime actually somewhat tones down how some of the cruel acts characters commit in the manga come off. I can't really think of a story that heavily focuses on Ryuunosuke and or Mr. Fujinami and enjoyed her father's presence there.

- The good old Takahashi couples. You can truly grow attached to them, but you get increasingly frustrated with some of the turns in the progression of each couple at times.

- I'd love a fun little sketch or mini comic from Takahashi featuring the UY crew just for fun for a 40th Anniversary.

He's the village idiot and the village curse all rolled into one, until something happens and only he can save Lum (let's face it, everything was either one or the other in danger). Biggest inconsistency - Benten couldn't get there in time in Movie 5, and the bike did warp speed in Movie 6. That was a huh what moment right there. I also find it funny that at least in the english translated manga, Lum says she's a pacifist, she's got the worst temper next to Ran.

There are times I felt bad for Onsen-Mark, the amount of disrespect he got was incredible. He didn't help his case though since he was enthralled with Sakura, something the students recognized early on and actually called him out on. But yeah, their major fault as a couple is they don't communicate, and the fact that Ataru was actually the initiator of that discussion was interesting because no one is more horrible at communicating than he is. Not that he had good examples to follow; his father barely spoke and his mother punctuated things she said with "I never should have had him".

I found a site that streams Rin-ne, so I guess I have something to watch when I have downtime. Hajime no Ippo is another I'm way behind on though.

Kurama has one quality she shares with Lum, bad taste in men (even if Lum is the only one that can get Ataru's good points to come out.) From Ataru to Mendou to Rei with a dash of Ryuunosuke thrown in because everyone thinks she is a boy at one point or another. Another amusing Mendou fail, when Ryoko appeared and Mendou had to admit Ataru is more tenacious than him and then later Mendou's fatehr even admits Ataru is superior to Mendou.

Cherry and his sister are SO short, and then you get Sakura. Never a mention of who her father was, and probably for the better as her mother was basically Cherry with a wig. If classes were called off a lot when it was Ataru causing problems, I could almost see weeks being called off because of their kids as sections of the school are vaporized.

Classic "Never thinks of the consequences", unless he benefits. Which I assume he must if we are to take that ever mentioned Inaba story into account. Unless of course Lum loses her patience and asks him to marry her, which she's not above doing.

There's another murder I see, one day Ryuunosuke murders her father because of how much of a jerk he is.

She made it to the dolphin episode last night. This morning she goes, "So he yells out loud she's his woman - what happens now?" I just laughed. She was not amused.

Takahashi is horrible with couples, I'm convinced to a degree she might dislike them as only one couple has ever been truly successful. I guess they all are to a degree, but Maison is the only series that cleanly ended.

There are people that have expressed a desire for a continuation or new UY, but it would need Takahashi's blessing to be done. I'm not against it, as long as the people don't do something drastic. If they can keep the spirit of the original somehow and make valid character progress, I'd give it a shot.
- Lol, Lum a pacifist. I believe that as much as I believe that Lum will ever stop loving Ataru. Lum's saving grace compared to Ran is she doesn't just get angry abruptly and at the drop of a hat. Lum is usually more composed than Ran is.

- Yeah, he was a character you could really feel bad for. Though as you mentioned, he didn't ever really help his own case. He knew many times he was playing with fire when he tried messing with them or being strict with them. He's been at this too long. I imagine his parents being quite happy with one another and even with Ataru early on in their marriage and within Ataru's first few years.

- Ippo takes forever to get through for a variety of reasons (some fights and plot lines get dragged out or repeated as well as the fact that this series focuses on several different characters which is a huge plus for me). I've been going through the Second Rookie Kings tournament now between Itagaki and Imai. I'm fond of many of the characters though my favorites consist of Ippo, Miyata, Kumi, Mashiba, Volg and Date.

- Lum, Elle, Kurama, and Ran all have terrible taste in men. That's just a fact. As for Mendou, his father always seemed to be neutral with Ataru and even greeted him when Ataru first showed up at the Mendou Estate in Ryoko's debut. Hilarious really. Must be frustrating being told by characters (Cherry and your own father), or even just shown to be inferior to the one guy you hate the most but have no chance of ever coming out on top of him. Mendou "has it all" except Lum, but that's the "only thing" Ataru has over him (as far as the characters in the series want to believe), but that's all he really needs to be over Mendou. His enemy managed to attract the girl he wants but can't ever get. Really must eat him up inside to have to deal with it lol. Can't say I feel sorry lol, he was never an ideal choice for Lum, nor has she ever expressed interest in him romantically either.

- The students probably at certain times make it a point to have the classroom trashed enough so that they wouldn't have to come to school the following few days. I'd imagine that while Onsen wanted them to be at school and wanted to teach even when the school was in ruins, a small part of him probably cherished the fact that he would have time away from them.

- I could see Lum herself pressuring him into it at some point about asking for him to propose to her. Of course, if Ataru was to either propose or accept, that would be him essentially declaring his love for her, which is something he said he'd do pretty much when he felt ready. Meaning, marrying Lum would already mean he loves her, but he'd pretty much would have to confess that he does openly by that point.

- He's got that annoying father toonforce going for him. He'll likely outlive most characters on that fact alone, because he's such a vile person.

- Lol, to answer your GF's question, simply put what happens next is: The series goes on the same it's always been. She's at that point where their relationship is at the level where the love is mutual between the two, Ataru rarely shows it, but definitely makes it a point to show he cares when he has to. The relationship doesn't really make a big leap in progress again for some time.

-  I guess part of it might be because Takahashi clearly wrote Maison Ikkoku as more romance focused than her other series. UY is arguably the least focused on romance thinking about it. To many, it feels like Takahashi trolls the couples. The worst part is, since Maison is really the exception and not the standard, you don't even get surprised when somebody tells you about their irritation or frustration or issues with how each relationships resolution is handled in her works.

- Personally, I don't even think the series really needs to continue with another series. I think maybe a few new stories or like an original special or OVA could potentially be a great thing for UY. To really send it off with an even bigger bang.
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