The World of Urusei Yatsura's Lum
Urusei Yatsura - General => Urusei Yatsura General Discussion => Topic started by: Cosmic King on July 04, 2006, 06:04:57 PM
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Howdy,fellow forum dudes,it is me Santa Claus,sorry,King Invader,presenting u a new topic that just came while i was chatting Nekochi-darling in da messenger,this new topic is about the similarities between Lum-chan and Shampoo
let me give u one example:
-Both of them fell in love with da dude that defeated them
here is what nekochi-darling deduced:
1. Both bilingal.
2. Would do anything for the man that they love.
3. Don't have a great deal of modesty. (Though Lum has more than Shampoo.)
4. They both talk with acsents. (lum uses 'tcha and shampoo is chinese)
5. Are really powerful. (have u ever heard about da power of love?)
besides i think in movie 3,lum talked about a red thread of fate that joined couples,somethin similar shampoo used to hypnotize ranma into almost marrying her
first of all i thank nekochi-darling 4 da idea and now feel free to post yer ideas
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nekochi,were u just repeating what i said in da messenger by that?
just joking,it is a good examination
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maybe shampoo is a lost sister to Lum and coz for bein living in earth so long,she lost her powers,horns,hair color,but well it is just an idea
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Who is Shampoo?
I fink I have never seen her.
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shampoo is a chinese amazon that wants to marry ranma soatome from the anime Ranma 1/2,for further info about her pls check www.furinkan.com
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For me they are way diferent.
- Shampoo is much younger than Lum
- Shampoo doesn't have horns
- Shampoo has blue hair and Lum green
- And finaly Lum is much beautiful
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i meant in a psychological way and i ABSOLUTELY agree on yer final point
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If I knew Shampoo has good as Lum I would talk about them psicologicaly.
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Yumm, Shampoo... :9~ O+
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Moroboshi can you think another thing with out being girls?
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Moroboshi can you think another thing with out being girls?
I think it is his mssion,no,his birthright
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I think it is his mssion,no,his birthright
I didn't kmow that humans still had.
In this case is better for him to perservate it well.
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Moroboshi can you think another thing with out being girls?
...uhmm... :|
...food... :P
...sleep... :z)
...money... :*)
...HAREM!!! :D) :9~ O+ :Y :-
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There should be a new Type of persons clled Ataru Moroboshi, which you, Morobosh,i enter.
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Moroboshi can you think another thing with out being girls?
...uhmm... :|
...food... :P
...sleep... :z)
...money... :*)
...HAREM!!! :D) :9~ O+ :Y :-
That is da spirit,Moroboshi
Keep da good fightin' and someday da harem dream will become true
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Try to create a time machine and go to the Ancient... "Arabia" I think.
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Try to create a time machine and go to the Ancient... "Arabia" I think.
Pay attention to this one,moroboshi
it is very true
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I think he will try to kidnap all scientists in the world for that to happen, I think.
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yup....that's what i thought too the first time i saw ranma 1/2 they almost look alike and act alike
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I think he will try to kidnap all scientists in the world for that to happen, I think.
Hah, I don't need all those scientists... :&
I'll have to succeed by myself!!! >:)
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If you are a Moroboshi i think you shouldn't try or your brain will be melt down.
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My brain has nothing to do with all this! :&
Btw, once I had a radiography of my head and inside there was a note with the message "I owe you a brain! - Signed: GOD!" }:|
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Hahahahaha, thats old... }:|
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My brain has nothing to do with all this!
Btw, once I had a radiography of my head and inside there was a note with the message "I owe you a brain! - Signed: GOD!"Â
I think you are right.
A brain of an "Ataru Moroboshi" compared with an human brain: it is 1/100
But an human brain compared with one of the devils over my control, including me: it is 1/10000000
The only problem we have got compared to the humans are that we are very forgetful.
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Hahahahaha, thats old... }:|
No! It's a classic, not old, old is the world that we are living on and the universe is sorounding it.
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Well, maybe he meant I already posted it some time ago... :&
...that's a possibility... :@
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Very possible for many of you (us) jokers.
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Well, maybe he meant I already posted it some time ago... :&
...that's a possibility... :@
You did?!?!?!
Oh...Ya that's rigth you did :& :@
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Did I? :?
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Not you... :& :P
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so who
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Holy Cow!
I just get absent some weeks and u turn this into a pay-per-view event
I think moroboshi can kidnap all scientists to build him a super girl scanner/teleporter,he just needs to use any brain wave an voila,he gets a girl,whatcha think?
Anyhow,this is about lum & shampoo,my brothers
So,lets get busy,i wonder what would happen if both of them met each other
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so who
...it was me! 8)
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Holy Cow!
I just get absent some weeks and u turn this into a pay-per-view event
...and that's bad, right? :|
I think moroboshi can kidnap all scientists to build him a super girl scanner/teleporter,he just needs to use any brain wave an voila,he gets a girl,whatcha think?
...only one???? :|
It doesn't even worth a try... :(
Anyhow,this is about lum & shampoo,my brothers
So,lets get busy,i wonder what would happen if both of them met each other
I surely would like to see them!!!! :9 :9 :9
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You want to see all the gals in the universe
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I think moroboshi can kidnap all scientists to build him a super girl scanner/teleporter,he just needs to use any brain wave an voila,he gets a girl,whatcha think?
...only one???? :|
It doesn't even worth a try... :(
LoL, Since we're talking about you Moroboshi you only have enough brain waves for one girl }) :D) After that you have to recover for a long time before using you brain again... :D) That is if God already gave you a brain... Muahahahahahaha })
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All of us can help moroboshi by adding our brain waves to bring all babes to us,my brothers
Anyhow,i have always wondered if they could make an anime about a ranma/UY confrontation,it'll be super to see all da twisted storyline besides all about this topic
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It is better with out Ataru because how many bumps you give to him, he will never stop hugging the girls.
Is it "hugging" I shoud said?
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Hugging is rigth but "shound" is not... LoL
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It is better with out Ataru because how many bumps you give to him, he will never stop hugging the girls.
That's for the girls' sake!!! :9
Is it "hugging" I shound said?
"Protect and serve" is more appropriate! 8)
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"Protect and serve" is more appropriate!
"Protect and serve" your interestes.
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I guess only making u immortal will give u da chance to have all girls,moroboshi-sensei
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That's why I have talk to "God" and we have agreed to not give immortality to Moroboshi.
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Unfortunately,nothin can stop moroboshi's lust,not even death
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That's why I have talk to "God" and we have agreed to not give immortality to Moroboshi.
Moroboshi is already immortal!
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Unfortunately,nothin can stop moroboshi's lust,not even death
That's some good news! ^^
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In conclusion,we will greenlight Project Harem
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YEAH!! :D
...and this is only the beginning!! 8)
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I originally fell in love with Shampoo cuz i saw ranma 1/2 before even finding UY, It was actually a complete accident that i began watching UY
Anyway after watching the first eppisode of UY i said that this story is basically Ranma 1/2, where Ranma fell in love with Shampoo
I would totally agree that they are twins or maybe the same person
Lum might actually be Shampoo, just changed cuz of ranma's rejection
reasoning
1. grew horns because of anger from rejection(thus becoming an Oni)
2. change hair and clothes so she wont be reconized
3. psychologically changed cuz of rejection
makes sense to me, what do u think
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Dats exactly what i was waiting 2 hear
good job,Forgotten Lum
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Well but, you know Ranma appered after UY Lum so thats impossible...
I've been seeing Ranma's season 1 again (nothing else to do at work LoL) and I noticed the facial exprecions on Akane and later on Shampoo to be the same as Lum. Well if you look carefuly even Akane with the long hair looks like Lum only whit a different colour. Ryoga and Ranma act the same as Ataru and Mendo for Lum (ex. Ranma dosent admit that he loves Akane but he wont let others near her) and many more things...
Btw, Urusei Yatsura the animated series had produced 195 TV episodes, 6 movies, 9 original animated videos Airing from 1981 to 1986
and
Ranma ½ The manga series was spun off into two television series, Ranma ½ which ran for 18 episodes and Ranma ½ Nettohen which ran for 143. All in all Ranma ½ aired 161 episodes from 1989 until 1992.
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Btw, Urusei Yatsura the animated series had produced 195 TV episodes, 6 movies, 9 original animated videos Airing from 1981 to 1986
OAVs were 11, not 9...and you forgot about the special episodes and the official music videos... ;P
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Btw, again is it just me or Rumico doesn't know how to make a proper ending for her criations??? Please that Ranma ending sucked LoL
Probably its because I dont like when good things end, but, that ending really sucked.
Have to see the manga now to see if it has a different ending... :&
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The manga of Ranma does have a different end, but there is also a ton of stories that were not animated, I think they should have done a movie on the last book, much better ending.
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Man those producers or something sure know how to ruin a good anime series... I couldn't sleep because I was constantly thinking about the damn ending.
Btw, the fact that the characters (Ranma, Akane, etc...) keept calling each other "hentai" (pervert) in an anime that the main charater and others appears naked is just to ironic and that makes it funny lol
And btw again LoL... Here is a link for season 1 of Ranma 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=628E39E5D9FC1A84
Don't look for the last episode because it may ruin the experience of seeing all the series... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!
Humm...
So this is why there is no Animated ending to Ranma 1/2
Will there be anymore Ranma ½ OAVs?
It certainly would make sense that there would at least be one more, but there chances are about one in a million. Maison Ikkoku and Urusei Yatsura both had their final chapters animated and I would hope that Ranma ½ will eventally see it's conclusion animated as well. As the years pass though this becomes less and less likely. There has been no new Ranma ½ animation from Japan since 1996, and Rumiko Takahashi is no longer involved with Kitty Animation after they went out of business that same year. She has since moved on to work with Sunrise. So the short answer is "no".
Why does the TV series end that way?
The final episode of the televison series was not meant to be the end of the Ranma ½ story. Immediately after the television series ended OAVs were released focusing on other stories and specials. If the real ending of Ranma ½ is animated it will be as an OAV or film. But as stated in the previous question, it is unlikely the series conclusion will ever be animated for various reasons.
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Hello again LoL :P (still not enough) :X LoL
Beautifull AMV from Ranma 1/2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSXp531xXeg
So Kawaaaiiiiiiiii... O+
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u r da man,falling star,kinda good work u showed us
I guess i shall admit we also talk how ranma anime ending really sucked,4 example ranma final anime episode barely appeared in voume 22 of da manga,da thing is ranma has 38 volumes and da ovas only took some chapters
I remember that several fans who saw some saint seiya hades fan trailer claimed 2 toei to bring such series,maybe we can do da same for ranma
in my opinion,only urusei yatsura and maison ikkoku got worthy endings (although their final episodes were truly movies)
Btw,forgotten lum,u seem 2 hav many reason,lets hope they make a movie abot ranma true end
there u hav it,mah bothers,cosmic king is back 2 bizness
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Is it possible that an other anime studio to end an anime from an other company??? With permission from Rumico???
But, after 10 years, will anyone be interrested in finishing it, taking on such a project must have alot of problems???
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I doubt it, to bad though
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Perhaps
Well , lets start Project Harem
here´s where u make da orders , moroboshi-senpai
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Very well! 8)
Is there a list to choose from?
...bah, it doesn't matter!
I'll take all of them!! :P
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Nothing matters in life my dear Morobosh-sama, nthing matters.
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LoL
Let me share a bit of japanese culture with you LoL
San
San (ã•ã‚“, San) is the most common honorific title, used when addressing most social outsiders, for example, non-family members. San is used unless the addressee's status warrants one of the other terms mentioned below.
San is often translated as "Mr.", "Ms.", "Mrs.", and the like.
Sama
Sama (様, Sama) is the formal version of san. This honorific is used primarily in addressing persons much higher in rank than oneself and in commercial and business settings to address and refer to customers.
Kun
Kun (å›, Kun) is an informal and intimate honorific primarily used towards males. It is used by persons of senior status in addressing those of junior status, by males of roughly the same age and status when addressing each other, and by anyone in addressing male children.
Senpai and kÅhai
Senpai (先輩, Senpai) is used by students to refer to or address senior students in an academic or other learning environment, or in athletics and sports clubs, and also in business settings to refer to those in more senior positions. KÅhai (後輩, KÅhai) is the reverse of this. It is used to refer to or address juniors, though it might be considered somewhat insulting or overly condescending in some circles to refer to someone as kÅhai directly.
Sensei
Sensei (先生, Sensei) (derived from Mandarin Chinese xian shēng, meaning Mister) is used to refer to or address teachers, practitioners of a profession such as doctors and lawyers, politicians, and other authority figures. It is used to show respect to someone who has achieved a certain level of mastery in an art form or some other skill.
Now the biggest of them all LoL...
Chan
Chan (ã¡ã‚ƒã‚“, Chan) is the hypocoristic suffix, used to refer to children, animals, and people whom one has known since they were children. To use chan for adults whom one has not known since their childhood requires considerable intimacy, less for women than for men. Attaching chan to a modified stem is more intimate than attaching it to the full form of the basic name. Chan may also used for celebrities as a title of affection. For example, Arnold Schwarzenegger gained the nickname Shuwa chan in Japanese. Although traditionally honorifics are not applied to oneself, some young women occasionally develop the habit of referring to themselves in the third person using chan. For example, a young woman named Maki might call herself Maki-chan rather than using a first person pronoun. Chan is also used for pets' names and when referring to animals, such as usagi-chan (or, more frequently, usa-chan: rabbit+chan) (e.g. Tama-chan, the flying turtle in Love Hina), or when speaking to small children.
Non-standard variations of chan include chin (ã¡ã‚“, chin), and tan (ãŸã‚“, tan). This last is also the popular suffix for moé anthropomorphisms, which are artistic memes on Japanese imageboards wherein a female character, usually in a kind of cosplay, is drawn to represent an inanimate object or popular consumer product. Part of the humor of this personification comes from the personality ascribed to the character (often satirical) and the sheer arbitrariness of identifying a variety of machines, objects, and even physical places as cute.
Famous examples include the OS-tan (representing computer operating systems) and Bisuke-tan (representing KFC biscuits). Some characters such as Bincho-tan are actual mascots of companies.
The Japanese media use chan when mentioning pre-elementary school children and sometimes elementary-school girls.
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Wow , somebody truly did his homework , my friends
Thanx a lot
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sorry for my error.
I mean sama.
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lol I think I saw the exact same text in the back of a XXXholic manga
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what is XXXholic
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Its a manga... Duh!!! LoL
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This is just my opinion.
It is highly insulting to put Lum and Shampoo together. (I don't like Shampoo >_<)
Why? Lum is better than Shampoo! especially.. the way they speak.. I don't like Shampoo's way of words.
And I don't like Shampoo's attitude.
its just my opinion :P
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I agree with you Imae.
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I think that Shampoo is somewhat a crossing of Lum and Ran personalities she's cute and kind and at the same time crazy like hell LoL
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If you join Lum with Ran, the result of that fusion would be LuRamn suicide.
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LoL maybe... but I was refering to the love expressions...
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In scale 1 to 10
Lum - Anger to Ataru - 8
Ran - Anger to Rei - 0
Lum - Love to Ataru - 9
Ran - Love to Rei - 10
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I would have to disagree with
Lum - Anger to Ataru - 8
I would say a 6, I think Lum enjoys shocking the hell out of Ataru
Lum - Love to Ataru - 9
It has to be a 10, doesn't matter what Ataru does Lum will always love him
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If you join Lum with Ran, the result of that fusion would be LuRamn suicide.
That would be one hell of a split personality
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I would have to disagree with
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Lum - Anger to Ataru - 8
I would say a 6, I think Lum enjoys shocking the hell out of Ataru
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Lum - Love to Ataru - 9
It has to be a 10, doesn't matter what Ataru does Lum will always love him
I have made a mistake, in Anger it was 7, not 8 and it is not 6, because most of Ataru's time looks dead.
And in love it is 9, because she is faithful to Ataru, it isn't a 10, because if it was she wouldn't be giving shocks to Ataru.
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If Lum gave her heart to some one more faithful, anger would be 0 and love 10
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see this http://www.projectilm.net/wb07/v7c5.html
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I have made a mistake, in Anger it was 7, not 8 and it is not 6, because most of Ataru's time looks dead.
And in love it is 9, because she is faithful to Ataru, it isn't a 10, because if it was she wouldn't be giving shocks to Ataru.
Lum would never leave Ataru, she realizes that she will eventually change Ataru, and I think she enjoys shocking Ataru, Lum knows that Ataru will survive everything she can dish out, Lum also knows that Ataru loves her, so she'll never leave him
see this http://www.projectilm.net/wb07/v7c5.html
I have seen that, both the manga and anime, she only did that to make ataru jealous, would have worked completely if that damn shark/dolphin didn't change into a girl, but still got most of what she wanted
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see this http://www.projectilm.net/wb07/v7c5.html
something similar also happens in episode 191, where Lum gets partially kidnapped and engaged, making ataru jealous and he goes to her rescue, Lum only wants to make ataru realize that he only needs her and that it is pointless try on other girls
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Lum would never leave Ataru, she realizes that she will eventually change Ataru, and I think she enjoys shocking Ataru, Lum knows that Ataru will survive everything she can dish out, Lum also knows that Ataru loves her, so she'll never leave him
He loves her and a thousand of other women.
And Ataru survives at everything, including a thousand missiles.
I have seen that, both the manga and anime, she only did that to make ataru jealous, would have worked completely if that damn shark/dolphin didn't change into a girl, but still got most of what she wanted
Yaya (ironic)
something similar also happens in episode 191, where Lum gets partially kidnapped and engaged, making ataru jealous and he goes to her rescue, Lum only wants to make ataru realize that he only needs her and that it is pointless try on other girls
I do not rember that episode.
see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMxrY9Fg4LQ
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thanx 4 da link , my brother
we can assume that lum-chan and ataru`s relationship is a shocking one
in animes i have never seen such a faithful maiden been in love with a perverted dude as in UY
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true
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I agree
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True...
I agree...
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... :& 8) :&...
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... :& 8)Â :&Â ...
what do you mean by that?
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...uh, nothing!...
I was just listening you speaking about me... 8)
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LoL
True... :Y :D)
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Lum would never leave Ataru, she realizes that she will eventually change Ataru, and I think she enjoys shocking Ataru, Lum knows that Ataru will survive everything she can dish out, Lum also knows that Ataru loves her, so she'll never leave him
He loves her and a thousand of other women.
And Ataru survives at everything, including a thousand missiles.
I have seen that, both the manga and anime, she only did that to make ataru jealous, would have worked completely if that damn shark/dolphin didn't change into a girl, but still got most of what she wanted
Yaya (ironic)
something similar also happens in episode 191, where Lum gets partially kidnapped and engaged, making ataru jealous and he goes to her rescue, Lum only wants to make ataru realize that he only needs her and that it is pointless try on other girls
I do not rember that episode.
see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMxrY9Fg4LQ
haha that's my friend putting that, I think she needs to update/continue that episode already!
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ya, that's right, I have just shown this part just to refresh their memory.
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It seems this topic was long forgotten as it served its purpose but i welcome u 2 try 2 revive this one
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Lum is a more beautiful and much better person than Shampoo in my opinion. I haven't seen many episodes of Ranma 1/2, but from what I've seen, Shampoo does not exactly come across to me as a likeable character. Someone on the Internet Movie Database told me that Rumiko Takahashi created Shampoo to be a better version of Lum. If you ask me, it's impossible to make a better version of Lum. O+
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i loved shampoo in the first few episodes that she appeared, but as she began to settle into the series she began to change, but right now im sitting on my final decision, there not twins, there mother and daughter, if you think about it, there personality is kinda similar, they look the same, shampoo doesnt have the oni horns because of the human DNA in her
BTW if you want to think about it, you could say that cherry is the younger version happosai, think about it
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Nice theories u r giving us,my brothers,indeed Lum is far better character than shampoo,so in da end they werent twins all da time,they just looked fairly equal
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i loved shampoo in the first few episodes that she appeared, but as she began to settle into the series she began to change, but right now im sitting on my final decision, there not twins, there mother and daughter, if you think about it, there personality is kinda similar, they look the same, shampoo doesnt have the oni horns because of the human DNA in her
BTW if you want to think about it, you could say that cherry is the younger version happosai, think about it
If Lum was Shampoo's mother, then that means that she didn't marry Ataru. Shampoo's father appears in the manga (in the part where Shampoo explains how she became cursed). He looks nothing like Ataru.
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didn't lum had a sister? maybe lum is shampoo aunt
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Lum doesn't have a sister...She's an only child.
I don't think Lum and Shampoo are related...
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If Lum was Shampoo's mother, then that means that she didn't marry Ataru. Shampoo's father appears in the manga (in the part where Shampoo explains how she became cursed). He looks nothing like Ataru.
I never read the beginning of the manga, so i didnt see that, i just went by what i saw in the anime, there was no reference to any of shampoo's parents so it was a plausible thoery for me, and you never know how ataru could have changed when he finally set his heart to lum (all the zaps and injuries could have a lasting effect on ataru), oh ya there is the possibility that lum didnt marry ataru, may be she just gave up and took off
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Maybe shampoo is Ten's daughter
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*jaw hits the floor*
that's one possibilty, but shampoo looks to much like lum to be that distant
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Te's mother is sister of whom?
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I know that, but still that would make lum and shampoo second cousins, i still think its too much distance in genetics
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not at all. A long years ago, I've seen three distant cousins that were look a like each other.
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they looked like each other but did they look like you
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Of course not. No one is like me except myself and I can tell you that They are plenty.
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and thus my point is proven
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Souls are not made by the rule of genes.
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but looks are and attitude is influenced by parental interaction, so the phrase like mother, like daighter is actually true
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But it isn't in my case.
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???
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You're a weake minded person.
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you sad sad person
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LoL... Now I agree with both of you... Hahaha
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I disagree,falling star,they have da joy of knowing UY
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LoL... anyway I agree with their statements...
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:'( me too... :'(
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I don't agree that Lum and Shampoo are related though...
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But they are in a strange way... They have the same mother/creator... Rumiko... LoL
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But they don't look like her either...
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They say God made us to his own image... but unless god looks like a black and white asian I don't think that's true... and why should kids have to look like the father or mother to be accepted as their child???
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exactly, they can be adopted :P
but is they are really son of the mother, and sob of the father, is very natural they have things in common, afteral its the family genes they are sharing.
me: gray eyes like my grand grandmother, my hair is like my mother's one, i also have the same hair mark in the same place, my nose comes from my father, etc ;)
this is just one example...
But since lum and ranma1\2 were made in the same age, and by the same person, is very natural they have something in common.
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of course, if one turned out well why change it
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Even if they "have the same mother", they can't be twins. They weren't born at the same time.
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that's why my logic works, they are mother and daughter, there is a 10 year difference from UY to ranma 1/2
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That won't work...
Lum is 17 and Shampoo is 16. If Shampoo was Lum's daughter, she had to be born before UY, but Lum wasn't old enough to have children.
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hmm, let me think about this lum was 17 in 1981, and shampoo 16 in 1989, but the american release was 2003 so that would mean she had shampoo in 1987, making lum 23 years old, makes alot of sense now dont it
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You're mixing release dates in different countries...
If you're considering the Japanese release date for UY, then you have to consider the Japanese release date for Ranma too.
If you want to consider american dates, then it's 1998 for UY and, as you say, 2003 for Ranma, which would still make it impossible.
Therefore I say they can't be mother and daughter.
Posted on: Monday 22-January-2007, 23:18:07
And you can say that Onis are different but here's the thing: if Shampoo was Lum's daughter, then Shampoo was born when Lum was 8 years old.
If you, by some bizarre idea, think this is possible, then here's the catch: when Lum has 8 she didn't even know Ataru. The only possible father would be Rei. But the offspring of Lum and Rei would be an Oni, and Shampoo is not an Oni.
Of course, we all know Lum didn't have a child when she was 8 years old anyway. That would be creepy... 8| 8|
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Wow... You guys have to much spare time... LoL
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Just wanted to make things clear for people...
This means that they're neither twins (not born at the same time) nor mother and daughter (Lum wasn't old enough).
They can't be sisters either, unless Ms. Invader cheated on Mr. Invader, but I don't see that happening either...
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Yes... but you guys are comparing everything to real life... and we know that Anime and Real life aren't compatible...
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more of a real life timeline, not exactly to reality
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Time is an illusion
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an illusion that humans live in
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An illusion the universe lives in.
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enough of this philsophical talk, we are getting off topic again
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Conclusion:
Lum is better (both physically and mind)than Shampoo,so they arent twins
(http://www.lum-chan.com/gallery/430_11_01_07_10_53_42.jpg)
da winnah is Lum
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agreed
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I don't no... I'm still counting the votes...
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Ok then: my vote goes to Lum
Posted on: Tuesday 23-January-2007, 18:13:26
And since I'm a prince, my votes counts like 5 votes.
Lum: 5
Shampoo: 0
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since when
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Since when what?
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does your vote count for 5
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I'm a prince since I was born, so I guess it starts then...
Are you going to vote for Shampoo anyway?
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Your full of yourself kroptik
anyway, I may have seen shampoo first, but lum will always have my vote
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We're making a vote in a UY forum anyway, so it's obvious Lum will win.
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right
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The nº of my votes are the same as my age.
And they are, as usual, to Lum.
How many years do i've got?
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By the way you post... 5 years??? Probably less... Hahahahaha
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I've lost the count of my years.
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I guess you're one of those old people with a long white beard, lots of wrinkles and bad memory. The ones that keep complaining "In my days, kids respected the elders." and stuff like that.
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i just dont want to hear any "back in the day" stories
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Back to topic!
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thats more like it
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We know Lum and Shampoo ain't twins, nor sisters, nor mother and daughter...
They could be cousins...
If Lum's mother has a younger sister and she married someone from Earth...
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Finaly some one has came to my logic.
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i dont think that works either, lum's mother has a sister, thus lum's cousin ten
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She could have another sister. Or Lum's father could have a sister/brother too.
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well not a sister, that was stated in movie 5
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Ok, Now what?
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im pretty sure they would have mentioned something about other family members
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I don't recall any references.
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hmm its a mystery
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Is it really?
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i think so
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Any ideas?
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all out
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Right, as me.
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need to save whatever is left for th DM
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right
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Shampoo is Lum's great grandmother...
She grew up, went back in time and married an Oni. Her granddaughter is Lum's mother.
O_O'
Just ignore me...
/me goes hide in a corner *
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??? how bout we revise your odd statement, lum decided to go back in time, after figuring out how to make ataru only love her, she went back in time to shortly after she met ataru and told herself how to do it, and thus giving a better time frame for my theory
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That's impossible. If someone in the future time-travaled back in time to your past, that time-travel would already be in your past. You can't change the past no matter what you do, since it's already written.
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hmm, depends on how you think of time travel, anyway in episode 29, lum changed the past, remember the picture in the photo album, but then there was the timetravel episode with mendo, where it turns out that going back in time was what caused his fear, it your choice on how you perceive time travel, i hate paradoxes
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that last episode was a very good one.
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I don't remember episode 29 (think I never saw it) but the other episode shows what I meant (Mendo is claustrofobic in the present because he and others traveled to the past).
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That isn't a very good reason.
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paradoxes give me headaches so maybe we should just stop this conversation now
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Yeah... you should... my mind exploded some post ago...
Ohh... the agony... make it stop... Hahaha
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Sorry posting on the go. Couldnt read all 12 pages but I just wanted to add that, imo Akane and Shinobu share remarkable physical and emotional traits. For one, they always become super human muscle chick when ticked off, and for some reason just from the manga, Rumiko's portrayal of Shinobu and Akane would seem like Shinobu is Akane's inspiration.
Just wanted to add that on the fly.
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Nice comparison,Yaegron,all r free 2 add other comparisons in here
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Who is Akane?
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Akane Tendo from Ranma 1/2, she is pretty much the same as Shinobu in every way, especially boy troubles
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Also too strong?
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Yep,sometimes i guess they would end in a draw idf they battle,yet shinobu is more cute and open hearted
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Of course, It's our beloved shinobu.
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hmm, between the two, akane has my vote, I dont really like shinobu's hulk personality
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This may shock some of you but... I agree with Forgotten...
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But I don't, for me she is basicly sweet.
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I'm in shock here...
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Why?
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because of falling... he...he...he agreed with me
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So, what's the problem?
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Falling agreed with Forgotten... THE WORLD IS GONNA END :'( :'(
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So, what's the problem?
i'm pretty sure dark will say this response again
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I don't need to say it...
HOW WONDERFUL!!!!!
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he is so predictable
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I know
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but anyway, we should make this topic again and do a poll to see who's theory is most preferred
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We need more theories for that then... We only have three:
- They're sisters (or twins).
- They're mother and daughter.
- They're not related.
I'm going for the third one...
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3rd
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Forgotten Lum is correct--there's at least a fourth theory:
Lum's Chronicler, Rumiko Takahashi, adores certain qualities and casts new characters in a similar role. She loves Lum, but can't cast her in Ranma (Lum's busy elsewhere), and so includes Shampoo instead.
So Lum and Shampoo are related, but not.
Dabu Sensei
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that makes kroptik and darkdevil wrong lol, I still will stay with mother daughter theory of mine, I think it is cute and could make a nice fanfic
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I think Dabu Sensei just teached you all a very good lesson... I vote on Dabu's theory/opinion
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I understand Dabu Sensei's theory, but that's not the way I'm thinking.
I'm thinking of anime as reality, not as anime (anime has a writer, reality doesn't).
And about the mother-daughter theory, wouldn't a daughter of Lum have at least some Oni powers? Besides, Shampoo has purple hair, and that color can't come from Ataru or Lum.
I still think they're not related.
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Dabu Sensei and 3rd
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What you're saying doesn't make sence, Dark...
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has he ever, but i think he is agreeing with 2 theories
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right
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Conclusion ¨2:
An idea of them bein related isnt bad but contradicts some points,maybe they just coexist in da rumikverse
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With that I agree.
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right and indeed
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It has been ages since this started so here i gave ya a fanart i found in deviantart that may apply for the Lum/Shampoo theory
(http://fc02.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/174/2/1/Lum___Shampoo.jpg)
They look so lovely :D)
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Very true, very true
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lum still more beautiful.
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also very true
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And Shampoo doesn't look well on Lum's bikini.
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she looks better without it, right? :D
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she looks better without it, right? :D
Tiger stripes don't fit Shampoo, looks better with her normal clothes on
but I've seen other characters that still look good in the tigger stripes
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Well... I know what you going to think of me but... Why is Shampoo breasts a lot bigger than Lum's??? ;D
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And Shampoo doesn't look well on Lum's bikini.
That I don't think so, She looks cute.she looks better without it, right? :D
Don't we all, don't we all.Well... I know what you going to think of me but... Why is Shampoo breasts a lot bigger than Lum's??? ;D
/me Benten slaps Falling.
Benten: Stop looking at other women's breast, you perv.
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Very true.
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she looks better without it, right? :D
Don't we all, don't we all.
What do ya mean by "we",demon?
Regardless of this,maybe shampoo's big breasts could be a sign that she was made when Rumiko was using more seduction in her works
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Shampoo breasts look like they going to pop out of the bikini... and hit you in the face... :P
Btw, are they gonna kiss??? That would be hot... ;D ;D ;D
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Can someone kill him for me?
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Kill who??? Me? Why? I'm just pointing out some aspects of the picture...
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You know? It's funny to read your comments when you're arguing about who is the most hot girl and stuff. Anyways, it may sound weird to see Shampoo in a tiger-stripped bikini because we aren't used to it. About the breasts... Well, all girls have different sizes (waist, weight, breast size, etc.) so, it just brings a little realism to the picture. It may sound strange, too because we are used to see the breasts with the same size in every Anime. About the "lesbian kiss"... In some developed countries it's usual to see girls kissing their friends, girlfriends. For example, I know a few girls and they kiss each others. To them, it's a way of showing their affection for each others. They even do more things that were just made by a girlfriend and a boyfriend in the middle of the street. People are accepting this kind of things day-by-day.
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I never said Lesbian kiss... :-\ and I know its normal to girls kiss each other in the face... I hope your friends kiss each other like that or else that would be weird... or probably where you live there aren't enough men for all girls... and that's why they go around kissing each other in the mouth and even french kissing in the streets???
***WARNING***
The above statement should not be taken seriously... as any other post submitted by this user... LoL
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Lum and Shampoo seem to be staring at each other,maybe they are amazed of how similar and different they look
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True.
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I never said Lesbian kiss... :-\ and I know its normal to girls kiss each other in the face... I hope your friends kiss each other like that or else that would be weird... or probably where you live there aren't enough men for all girls... and that's why they go around kissing each other in the mouth and even french kissing in the streets???
***WARNING***
The above statement should not be taken seriously... as any other post submitted by this user... LoL
Not a french kiss... -_-' It's like a quick kiss. The lips join and that's all. No big deal, you know? It's a way of showing their affection for each other but only the closest friends do that.
Lum and Shampoo seem to be staring at each other,maybe they are amazed of how similar and different they look
Probably that's the second intention from the artist.
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Probably that's the second intention from the artist.
Main purpose was to give fans the satisfaction of watching Lum and Shampoo together
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Maybe. Or to show the differences between these Rumiko's creations.
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Shampoo could even be Lum's sister/cousin. Her bums are in the exact same place that Lum has her horns and both have unnatural hair colors (in real life at least :P).
And they're both cute. xD
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true
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Weird isn't it? xD
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Why would it, Miss Cata
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Because Lum is an Oni, Shampoo is human. Lum is "japanese". Shampoo is chinese. But both of them fight for their man.
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But they come from the same creator.
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Another reason.
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(Hurray for reviving old topics!)
Here's another theory for you to consider:
Lum IS Shampoo... in an alternate reality. Considering both Furinkan and Tomobiki are districts in Nerima, and yet neither is mentioned in the other's series, they could possibly be the same place, with different names in different realities. Just because they're different characters with different stories doesn't mean they're wholly unrelated. Especially because they're very similar.
On another note, if you compare UY and Ranma, you can tell there are many characters that are similar like that. Not just Lum/Shampoo, but Ryuunosuke/Ranma, Happosai/Cherry, Akane/Shinobu, Kuno/Mendo, etc.
Then again, it could all just be a big coincidence.
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(Hurray for reviving old topics!)
Here's another theory for you to consider:
Lum IS Shampoo... in an alternate reality. Considering both Furinkan and Tomobiki are districts in Nerima, and yet neither is mentioned in the other's series, they could possibly be the same place, with different names in different realities. Just because they're different characters with different stories doesn't mean they're wholly unrelated. Especially because they're very similar.
On another note, if you compare UY and Ranma, you can tell there are many characters that are similar like that. Not just Lum/Shampoo, but Ryuunosuke/Ranma, Happosai/Cherry, Akane/Shinobu, Kuno/Mendo, etc.
Then again, it could all just be a big coincidence.
Hmm... Tomobiki's parallel world... UY's parallel Anime... I never thought of that but now that I did... I think you may be right.
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i had to check into the mutiverse to find out sidzero
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Now what do you make of these?
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6825/shampooislumjy1.jpg)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6572/lumisshampoorj9.jpg)
Taken from the Ranma story arc where Shampoo first appears. Shampoo doing a Lum impression...? or perhaps more fodder to support the "Lum IS Shampoo" theory?
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well I could say that many Japanese women like to say "darling" to their beloved, but who knows... we would have to dig deeper
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Taken from the Ranma story arc where Shampoo first appears. Shampoo doing a Lum impression...? or perhaps more fodder to support the "Lum IS Shampoo" theory?
hate to say it, but i think we already had this theory presented and denied if i remember correctly
reasons why:
-lum has horns, shampoo doesn't
-lum has green hair, shampoo has blue
-lum can fly and use lightning, shampoo can't
-lum has no real strength, shampoo could rip your arm off in armwrestling
-lum was a teenager just after WW2, shampoo was in the 90s
-lum knew japanese and alienese, shampoo didn't know japanese until later
shall i go on...
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please do
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I understand what your saying as far as your reasons why Shampoo and Lum are not one in the same. But this theory doesn't say that they are one in the same. It says that they're alternate reality versions of one another. Consider this: Remember the episode of UY where Lum is jumping around in dimensions? Some had situations that are different (Ataru was dating Ryuunosuke, Mendo and Lum were married, or the one where Lum had won the tag race), some had the characters with different personalities (Ataru was completely devoted to Lum), some went so far as to switch genders of the characters (Ryuunosuke was a boy raised as a girl, Megane and the Stormtroopers were females). Now, I don't know how much you want to get into the irrational physics that would explain any of the alien science that Lum uses (and believe it or not, a lot of it can be explained away), but theories as to dimensions and multiple timelines pretty much provide for infinite possibilities. Now if you consider the alternate dimensions shown through UY as a small handful of those possibilities, who's to say that it's entirely impossible that Lum was born on Earth as a Chinese Amazon with blue hair in one of these alternate dimensions?
But once again, I say it's also possible that it's all a big coincidence and the characters that seem so similar in the two series (and in all of Takahashi-sensei's works, for that matter) are just a coincidence and have absolutely nothing to do with one another. :)
And just to add, as far as I know, referring to one's beloved as "My Darling" is not common in Japan. Lum was not a teenager "just after WW2" (UY took place in an unspecified yearly time loop sometime in the early-mid 80's, possibly 1984, Ranma in an unspecified yearly time loop sometime in the very early 90's, possibly 1991). Shampoo learned Japanese by the third chapter she appeared in (all within the first arc she appeared in). Lum's hair color wasn't really defined until the anime (Takahashi-sensei never decided on a set hair color for her, and usually painted her with multicolored hair, or changing hair colors).
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alternate dimensions i get, quantem physics says that an electron jumping from one atom to another takes infinite possible routes, all at the same time and this is how alternate dimension are created, but that doesn't explain the time difference
anyway if you want to get tecknical shampoo's hair was originally pink in the manga(if i remember correctly)
the best possible, yet very unlikely, solution to a lum/shampoo relationship would be, yes an alternate dimension, where shortly after meeting ataru, lum had a baby and while on a trip to china, both lum and ataru die, leaving there daughter, shampoo, to be found by the amazons and raised by them
very unlikely, i'd say a 1 in an infinite chance, dont ya love quantem physics
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Shampoo's hair was always either black or blue in the manga (except for 2 of the cover paintings, one had pink hair, the other lavender... the first painting of her had blue hair). As far as the time difference... who's to say there really is one? After all, both stories take place in an unspecified time frame. Could be the future, could be the past, Ranma could possibly even take place before UY, for that matter.
As far as the child possibility, that's even less likely. For one, if you wanna go with the time difference, there'd not be enough of a time difference. Lets assume UY takes place in 84, and Ranma takes place in 91, that's only a 7 year difference between the two stories. Not enough to explain Shampoo's 16 years of age. Now, of course, with the unspecified time frames, that could make it possible, or if you consider some other possible explanation with Lum using her pocket time machine... if it weren't for the fact that Shampoo's great-grandmother (Cologne) is a regular character, and is also Chinese, not to mention Shampoo's father is introduced during the second Shampoo arc, when she comes back to Furinkan, when she reveals the story of how she got the Cat Jusenkyo curse.
Now, to play devil's advocate, I'd also like to point out the possibility that if Shampoo IS a blood relation of Lum, there is no saying for sure whether or not the Oni genetic traits would be dominant or recessive in an Oni-Human hybrid. But then again, it's never defined whether or not Onis and Humans are genetically compatible enough to breed, either. They are completely different species (not to mention from completely different planets), so it could be possible that an Oni-Human mating would be impossible to produce offspring... much like if you tried mating a Chimpanzee to a Human (I use this example because despite being genetically dissimilar, they're similar enough to have similar physical characteristics... the only obvious physical traits that differentiate Humans from Oni are the horns, the fangs, and the super-powers).
Personally, I don't think they have anything to do with each other, whether they exist in the same multiverse (or even the same universe, for that matter), and they just have similar personalities. Which is to expected when you have a mangaka that regularly bases her characters off of characters from her previous works (as I've previously pointed out).
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Personally, I don't think they have anything to do with each other, whether they exist in the same multiverse (or even the same universe, for that matter), and they just have similar personalities. Which is to expected when you have a mangaka that regularly bases her characters off of characters from her previous works (as I've previously pointed out).
I do believe that paragraph was the very princible that made this topic go dead, we are talking about anime characters created by takahashi, who, with some amazing works, has no original characters after UY, she merely took the same personalities and put them into different situations
so can we stop on this topic, its making me want to get into research on quantem physics and theories on time travel again, even though one theory is true on travelling forward in time
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Oh, I didn't say she had NO original characters. Just that she regularly recycles characters.
As far as research in quantum physics and time travel theory, if you want, I could easily go into various interesting theories on both. Time travel becomes a very possible theory once you consider it as more than just a one way measurement of human perception, and think of it as a fourth dimension, which I still don't get why mainstream science doesn't accept. The only reason I can think of why it's not accepted thought is because the concept of infinity hurts the brains of physicists too much for them to really understand. After all, if the 3 dimensions of space extend infinitely in mathematical space, then why so wouldn't a fourth? Too many current theories are built around the idea of a finite universe. String theory is pretty interesting, and probably the first one to really bust out of that mold. And it allows for 10 (in most of the branches of string theory) measurable dimensions, including the 4 that we can perceive.
But this is getting off topic, and if you really want to get into such matters, perhaps a new thread should be started?
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Conclusion (again):Lum and Shampoo arent twins nor alternative versions of the other,yet we cannot deny that they are very similar,amen.
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But we can still dream. xD