Miscellaneous => Other Anime => Topic started by: Urusei0Yatsura on September 11, 2009, 02:52:57 PM
Title: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on September 11, 2009, 02:52:57 PM
If you haven't seen or are currently watching Neon Genesis Evangelion or the End of Evangelion film I really wouldn't read this topic, it contains massive spoilers.
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: cata on September 11, 2009, 09:07:01 PM
Well... I'm not intelligent enough to understand the mecha stuff (well, I know a few stuff) that goes with Neon Genesis but I love the Anime, though. I guess I won't be helpful in this thread. Have you tried searching for an NGE forum? I'm sure there's an Otaku online community from your country and I'm sure there's a topic only about NGE.
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project
Post by: Cosmic King on September 18, 2009, 08:52:59 PM
I am really not a fan of Evangelion (though I truly dig Gendo's look) but I can safely say that Shinji never had a choice at all or he is been forced to quit his own free will in order to please others
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 18, 2009, 09:35:18 PM
I am currently a little over half way through the series ^_^
Is this a spoiler for the end of the TV series or also the movie?
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project
Post by: Cosmic King on September 18, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 18, 2009, 10:21:51 PM
y'd u need to spoil that? I haven't read the previous spoils so telling me which the spoils r for doesn't spoil anything :\
or did u just wanna try the spoil thing out?
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: Cosmic King on September 18, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Part trying to test the spoilers tag,part correcting a small mistake
My apologies,Neo
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on October 04, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
I am currently a little over half way through the series ^_^
Is this a spoiler for the end of the TV series or also the movie?
For me the TV series is a spoiler for the movie, the end of the TV series actually tells you that the instrumentality project happens but says it going to skip the build up. The movie shows you what was happening physically in the third impact and the last two episodes show what was happening in mentally to Shinji.
To be honest with you I thought the series was great, but the there are just too many ambiguities and parts of the plot that are missing: I didn't understand a lot of it until I read about it.
Examples of missing plot are the Lance of Longinus, its origins are not explained and its not shown why it is important in the third impact; I get the feeling that they said: "Hey let's put this mysterious weapon into the anime and make up an explanation near the end of the series!", of course they never got round to it. Well at least that is what I feel happened.
I think the End of Evangelion could have been executed a lot better than it was. In fact, I think they should have made a film about the creation of the Evas themselves in the 00s first then the instrumentality project. That bit of the series had the most impact on me.
Evangelion is a great series, but it needs of work. Personally I think they should remake the upcoming movies profit to remake the TV series completely, clean it up and stick to a realistic budget that allows them to tell the whole story without resorting to bargain basement post modernist animation.
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: UruseiNeo on October 04, 2009, 05:06:38 PM
First, Cosmic, you LIED!!! His spoiler was including the movie :(
Urusei0Yatsura, why did you quote me if u weren't gonna reply? :\
As for the new movies, while 1.0 fairly stuck to the plot of the anime while adding and removing some scenes, I heard that 2.0 will include (will... as if it isn't already in Japan yet :\ I'm waiting for the dub version) many new things such as a new character.
At this point, its too late to remake the movies into a remake of the series. 2 have already been created and there are two on the way.
I also think there were a few spoilers in ur post...
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on October 05, 2009, 04:26:39 AM
I really didn't understand the movies or the final episodes... I just watched it because...
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: Cosmic King on October 05, 2009, 05:21:40 PM
First, Cosmic, you LIED!!! His spoiler was including the movie :(
My apologies on that,Neo
My mistake could have been due to my lack of interest for Evangelion (I got the final episodes mixed up in my mind,hehehe)
Hope this fixes my mistake
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on October 06, 2009, 12:56:30 AM
Btw... I don't know which episode/movie it was but... isn't there a part where Shinji is... m-mas-masturbating next to the other girl in the hospital???
I don't know if in the Americas that got cut out... but I'm sure I said something like this... "WTF just happened???" 8|
;D
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: UruseiNeo on October 06, 2009, 11:05:31 PM
I don't recall that.
In the interest of Evangelion, who has checked out the ONA of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaS_bR9BD3s
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: cata on October 06, 2009, 11:11:39 PM
Btw... I don't know which episode/movie it was but... isn't there a part where Shinji is... m-mas-masturbating next to the other girl in the hospital???
I don't know if in the Americas that got cut out... but I'm sure I said something like this... "WTF just happened???" 8|
;D
It was either in the first or second Movie. I think it was "The End Of Evangelion"
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: UruseiNeo on October 06, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
well the first movie, Death and Rebirth, was basically a recap with a few violin(?) scenes added. So if it was there, it would have been in the TV series too.
Another thing... for "Death and Rebirth" they edited Rei's big smile to a short one... WHY???
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on October 10, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
I know I'm changing the subject a bit but why is Rei such a major character in anime? She hardly says anything at all!
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: cata on October 10, 2009, 09:56:58 PM
She's a chosen child like Shinji and Asuka and
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on October 10, 2009, 10:16:34 PM
I don't think I've phrased that question very well. Undoubtedly Rei is important in the story of Evangelion, but why do fans like her so much?
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: UruseiNeo on October 10, 2009, 10:36:21 PM
Cause she's awesome :p
I think it would be because she's a main character, plus the first female main closest to Shinji's age, therefore everyone sees her as Shinji's partner.
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on October 11, 2009, 01:14:35 AM
I guess fans like her because she takes the roll of the introverted, emotionless and dark/mystery (in the way that everyone doesn't know anything about her past) character... and I know that those types of anime girls are idolised in Japan Otaku culture... Don't ask me why... but I like her too... XD
"Whatever else, she needs to be painted in as a bitterly unhappy young girl with little sense of presence." Hideaki Anno, to Yoshiyuki Sadamoto on Rei's character design.
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: cata on October 12, 2009, 04:34:17 PM
I don't think I've phrased that question very well. Undoubtedly Rei is important in the story of Evangelion, but why do fans like her so much?
Knowing ONLY what I've read on the Wikipedia page about her, I would say it's because she's a tragic character, an underdog, almost a martyr in a sense. The fanbase identifies with her and lives vicariously through her.
Title: Re: End of Eva - Did Shinji really have a choice in the instrumentality project?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on October 13, 2009, 12:25:13 AM