Miscellaneous => General Discussion => Topic started by: UruseiNeo on August 27, 2009, 04:36:36 PM
Title: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 27, 2009, 04:36:36 PM
The opening to the feature video is basically done, so I need to start working on the script.
I think I'm going to need some help though. There are a number of categories covered:
Definition (covered)
Genres
Characters
Intro/Outro themes
Plot
Backgrounds
Detail
Angle
Content
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This movie will included many example comparisons so what I need help with is picking the right anime to use in these comparisons.
Starting with Genre (get to the others later)
During this section, we'll be explaining how cartoons mostly fall under either Comedy or Action. While Anime can have a number of genres. So I need a few examples of anime that do not focus so much in the Comic and Action genre.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on August 27, 2009, 07:35:59 PM
it still it seems unclear to me what it is exactly what you want, mind elaborating a bit more?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 27, 2009, 09:26:37 PM
Okay, I'll help!
So:
Terra e... (or Toward The Terra) - Not one bit of comedy. It's like... psychology and life.
Berserk - Not comedy. Lots of action, though. Violence, sex (some rape included), horror.
MariaHolic - I think you should cover the "sexuality" in this Genre section. Btw, it's yuri. Comedy with a storyline covered up in funny scenes.
Najica Blitz Tactics - This could cover the fanservice section. Action.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 27, 2009, 09:33:54 PM
0.0 I haven't seen any of that anime yet. Hmmm...
To janus, we are comparing anime and cartoons, showing the differences. For the first section, genre, we are going over how cartoons focus in comedy and action whereas anime covers multiple genres.
What I am looking for are good examples of anime to show this difference in genre, I would like something I've seen, but if not something short so I can watch it quickly.
I also kinda wanna keep the "fanservice" to a minimum, never felt comfortable with it, so broadcasting it would just kill me.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 27, 2009, 09:40:23 PM
Fanservice is like a MAJOR difference between Anime and Cartoons. How can you left it out? Be ready to have like this huge mailbox with comments "Oh there's also fanservice" and "you forgot fanservice!!" etc. xD
Hum... Berserk has 25 episodes, MariaHolic has 12, Najica Blitz Tactics has 12 and Terra e... has 24.
Also, Hajime no Ippo (76 episodes) is about sports and has comedy and action.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 27, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
MariaHolic sounds like a god one then, short and is... what's its genre again? romance?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on August 27, 2009, 11:49:42 PM
judging on what I've seen on this openings and bits I've heard about it I would say it has Yuri comedy (as cata already mentioned)?
here's the op that I saw **warning if you are unconfortable with fanservice, simply don't watch**
【OP】 まりあ†ほりっく オープニング Hanaji by 小林ゆう (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOHwVZc6QYY#)
good catchy music, quality op and probably good story, I wouldn't expect anything less from Shaft this has been on "to watch" list (in my mind) I might pick this up sooner or later
oh, yes, anime vs cartoons. I got a bit carried away there, but concerning between the two the difference is like night and day, but some cartoons have mimicked the Japanese animation style or even have used japanese animation companies for their classic cartoons, that line has been getting thinner, but not my much. but one pretty obvious difference is the demographics ( which some anime has sometimes an unclear target audience for those who are) and the genre as already mentioned which is broader.
I haven't seen much modern cartoons lately and the one that I've somewhat like is Danny Phantom Its a good action comedy that is good enough to entertain ....wait what are we discussing again.... JK, I'll try to bring some other anime/cartoons later
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
It's not that I won't watch something BECAUSE of fanservice, I think UY does it to the extreme, I just find it unnecessary.
The opening was funny though ^_^
And another reason I wanted to limit the "mature" content was to widen the range of viewers that could watch it.
I also noticed the sudden increase in anime like cartoons. Examples are Ben 10 and Avatar the Last Air Bender.
Those two shows are remarkably anime-like and are probably only separated by the common mature content anime usually contains. In my books, these two shows ARE anime.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 28, 2009, 12:40:48 AM
Well I agree with cata... this sure will make you receive lots of messages... many people will always find something missing in that comparison.
I don't even know why you want to leave out the 2 genres that make anime... anime... XD
Hentai and Ecchi. But that's just me...
You should add the Mecha genre to that list.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 01:17:28 AM
mecha = action for the most part
I guess I'm looking for anime in the romance, sports, drama, horror, and psychological genre (all taken from a genre list at MAL)
Military would be good too, and I've never seen a Dementia anime.
And I am NOT going to include any porn in this video!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 01:21:49 AM
I love everything about MariaHolic!! =D
Well... except the ending. xD
I even have the opening song on my mp3. lol
I think it would be important to talk about Neon Genesis Evangelion since it was a show about depressions and human mind even if it had some mechas fighting.
I don't think Anime is all about Ecchi and Hentai. To me, Ecchi and Hentai are just types of Anime.
Also, nobody was talking about porn! xD
It's just talking about it, not posting clips and pics featuring private body parts! xD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 01:30:54 AM
Hentai is anime porn, at least me and my co-worker think it is.
Dunno if Neon Genesis has it but I've heard about the show a lot.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 01:33:17 AM
NGE has what? Porn?!?! NO!!!! xD
Look, no one said Hentai wasn't porn. I also consider it porn. What me and Falling think it should be in video is that Hentai and Ecchi should be TALKED ABOUT not showed!!!
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 01:36:31 AM
sry misread, and again I had no idea what NGE had.
And I don't wanna talk about it either. My friend said we should talk about Furre
Not gonna do that either. Dunno if he was serious
I think u get what I mean tho
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 01:37:46 AM
Oh Fur? I think it's weird but each person has his own tastes. =)
Well in the end, it's your video so... you can do whatever you want with it. =)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 01:43:43 AM
how long is Neon Genesis?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 28, 2009, 01:50:45 AM
Well... Mecha is action obviously... but mecha itself makes anime and cartoon be on separate levels...
Now about the genres you want... it will be hard to find a "pure" one... because 1 anime can fit into several genres...
Sports: Eyeshield 21; Cross Game; Bamboo Blade; One about basketball... I think its called Buzzer Beater and many others.
Horror: Hell Girl; Blue Gender; Ghost Hound and many others
And I guess the other genres you ask are covered in the animes above... XD
NGE... the king of genres... LoL
26 Eps.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
I think I good sports one would be Slam Dunk, that seems to be a rather popular one.
Horror, Death Note? or is Death Note more of a psychological thing? Either way, it's definetely on my example list.
I'll get to NGE after MariaHolic (saw first episode... no comment) but I'll probably use NGE for examples too.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on August 29, 2009, 01:28:48 AM
if you want someone to suggest what new anime to watch here are these two
bakemonogatari (which is currently airing) http://myanimelist.net/anime/5081/Bakemonogatari (http://myanimelist.net/anime/5081/Bakemonogatari) this one is Mystery, Romance, Supernatural and a bit of harem. this is, in my opinion is a good anime that is worth to watch this season
and eden of the east ( that finished airing not too long ago, and has two movies coming up) http://myanimelist.net/anime/5630/Higashi_no_Eden (http://myanimelist.net/anime/5630/Higashi_no_Eden) this one is Action, Comedy, Mystery, Drama, Romance, Sci-Fi, Josei this one had me hooked trying to solve the truth
both are great animes, I totally recommend them
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 29, 2009, 05:19:58 AM
what's Josei?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 29, 2009, 05:27:54 AM
Honey and Clover
This anime is considered josei... Even if they use this term more for manga...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josei_manga
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 29, 2009, 01:27:46 PM
Josei? Well... According to my experience in this World, I'm not going to like Josei Anime. xD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 29, 2009, 03:08:33 PM
Josei is a friend of mine... lives of Alenteijo... I call him Jose... but the locals and family call him Josei... XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on August 29, 2009, 10:21:27 PM
Good one Falling_star! :D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 30, 2009, 01:42:04 AM
Eh, I've been looking at Maria+Holic, I dunno if I'm gonna use it. I'm still gonna finish it though, I don't like to drop anime.
Reason why I want to keep this age appropriate is cause this is gonna be shown to 12 and 8 year old girls, family friends who have been looking forward to seeing this.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 30, 2009, 01:57:24 AM
Then maybe you should keep NGE out of it...
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 30, 2009, 01:59:02 AM
... What's wrong with NGE?
I was originally planning to use Bleach and Haruhi Suzumiya, btw.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 30, 2009, 01:59:42 AM
If it's for 8 and 12 year olds... You better do it about Pokemon, Naruto and Tokyo Mew Mew. -.-
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 30, 2009, 02:01:48 AM
-_-#
I think I can get away with older anime if I pick the right clips.
I mean, with Maria+Holic, there's really no way around it with the 0.01% Male ratio and pervousity. (I made a new word today)
Edit: Also I don't think a lot of 8 and 12 year olds will watch it, just these two.
And they've already watched Haruhi, Ouran High School, Pretty Cure, Azumanga Daioh, and Lucky Star.
Oh and Full Moon
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 30, 2009, 02:06:46 AM
I'm not talking about MariaHolic (well a little bit)! Like Anime for 8 year olds isn't what we watch (except for childhood memories) but like... one of the best Anime's I've ever watched is Berserk. The ending is horrible and hell of scary) but it's so freaking awesome!!! And from what I've heard, its Manga is even better. But it is for mature people since it's too violent and the plot is a little bit complicated and there are quite a few scenes for mature people ONLY!!!
I'm serious, you want to do it for 8 and 12 year olds? Dude, go for it but Anime aren't cartoons and if you make a video like that, your video will be "Anime is japanese cartoons".
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 30, 2009, 02:09:08 AM
I'll say it again (though you may have missed the edit) those two will probably be the ONLY young audience, simply because they're close friends.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 30, 2009, 02:10:40 AM
As I said earlier, it's YOUR video, do what you want with it.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 30, 2009, 02:11:34 AM
The complexity of NGE... that will make anyone go back to watch the Looney Toons... XD
#Invalid YouTube Link#
You should add this clip at the end ;D :icon_mrgreen: ;D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 30, 2009, 02:16:52 AM
I didn't get that last post, but at the end we're doing the "Anime Hoedown"
I can't believe that people still get them confused, Anime and cartoons, the way the do amuse. One main difference, it is a simple thing, in Anime openings they know how to sing.
Not a lot of people know what Anime is, most of them think it's just a show for kids. But they are wrong, for they do not see, what they cut from shows like Pokemon is partial nudity.
I LOVE anime I watch it everyday!!! For 24 hours straight I NEVER go away!!! One thing that I noticed is..... *faints from exhaustion*
When it comes to dubbing Funimation is the best. They make Vegeta sound better than the rest. Only one exception, a quote so legend; Anime popularity is over nine thousand.
Over nine thousand!!!
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 30, 2009, 02:23:44 AM
Basically the NGE has little about Mecha compared with the psychology in it.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 30, 2009, 02:26:39 AM
What!!! Over 9000?!?!
That scouter must be malfunctioning...
And my last post was referring that people like/watch cartoons because its funny... its a simple story... and there's no complex stuff involved... (at least the cartoons I have in mind) and showing people that are not used to anime complex story lines and stuff... will just push them away... and with english dub... they will surely push them away... XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 30, 2009, 02:32:35 AM
AHAH! I watched NGE dubbed accidentaly, my ears almost burst from hearing Asuka's english voice! >.<
And of course, other experiences had the same result.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on August 30, 2009, 03:20:04 AM
English dubbing quality can vary from one voice actor or another, but most of the time it isn't that good many have really hard to replicate the style or the accent of the seyuus but the thing is if you expect the exact same kind of voice of some character in English, you would most likely be disappointed.
meaning that the voice acting styles could be different from Japanese or another countries too add more to the cause, many voice actors mainly voice over cartoons and others are live-action actors
so its better not to have those expectations from them and give them a chance it might not turn as bad as you think ^-^ it is just like looking things in another angle because they as well put effort in dubbing this
funny how I just discussed this with cosmic
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 30, 2009, 05:39:46 AM
The problem I se with English dubbing, is that no matter what decade or studio they are recorded in, they all sound the same to me. The guys always have that teen-surfer voice, and all of the girls have that same ambitious voice that just doesn't blend in. (this is my opinion, not a fact)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on August 30, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
It seems that in English dubbing they have this rule that all main female characters have to have this acute high annoying voice and the males... either have girly normal voices or totally macho voice. The funny thing is that in Looney Tunes cartoons, their voices aren't bad but in Anime dubbings their horrible. Are they doing it on purpose so that cartoons > Anime? xD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 30, 2009, 05:07:15 PM
It must be, because I also find the voices in american cartoons to be better too.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on August 30, 2009, 10:21:56 PM
In Japan they employ experienced actors to do the voices, in the dubs they usually employ actors who haven't got a lot of experience and are much cheaper. Probably because it is expensive to translate anime so they cut costs when picking actors. There are also less actors that do anime outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: veehive on August 30, 2009, 11:02:43 PM
Are they doing it on purpose so that cartoons > Anime? xD
I don't believe there is a Great Conspiracy to keep Anime down. XD I think it's simply that the dubbing actors & actresses are replicating the original (Japanese) performances in every way they can (in order to best preserve that performance) and that includes the higher-pitch you find in Japanese voices in general. Not a lot of contralto's and basso's in the Japanese voice-acting pool, I reckon'.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 31, 2009, 01:12:27 AM
I just don't like dubbing... For girls (characters) that are supposed to be 13 to 16 years old end up with a voice of 30/40 year old woman voice... And the guys voices are even worst they have girly voices like stated by cata... or sometimes they have the teen surfer voice like stated by Sonicdaman... and they always sound like they end each phrase with an exclamation point...
Check this out... LoL http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/conan-and-andy-do-manga-072409/1139088/
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on August 31, 2009, 10:16:01 AM
Thanks for that FallinG_StaR, that was really funny.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 31, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
can I find a better version of that video? Mine seemed to have the video stalling until the end where it suddenly sped up to catch up to the audio.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 01, 2009, 01:38:48 AM
Better version of the video... That's the one on the Tonight Show website... I don't know of any other... sry.
btw... It worked fine for me.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 01, 2009, 01:42:11 AM
it works now, thank you for the link.
is there a way to download it?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 01, 2009, 01:52:59 AM
Try this thin... they have an option called "collect this video" I don't know if its the same as downloading... I haven't tried it because we need to register...
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on September 01, 2009, 03:33:50 AM
I can upload on YouTube for ya if you want...
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 01, 2009, 08:09:11 AM
pretty nice video you found there falling, I was seriously laughing about the wallet part
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on September 01, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
I only got time to see the video now.
I seriously want those NGE and etc. posters. They actually made "MANGA!!!!!!" sound awesome!
Thanks for sharing. I used to find that show boring and a waste of time but now since they did this, it went on my ranking. =)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 01, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
thanks, SonicDaMan, that would be helpful.
Sry, Falling, but ur collect video idea doesn't seem to work. I dunno what that thing is for...
Can you tell me when it gets uploaded? I wanna be able to get it before some copyright tries to take it down, if that.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on September 02, 2009, 04:01:54 AM
ill upload it tomorrow
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 19, 2009, 09:28:59 PM
Have you uploaded it yet? :S
Going back to the video we're making. I finished writing the first 2 and a half pages of script. (Some things have to be left open in the script till I've written other parts of it). I wanted to see if there was anything wrong with it, so I'm showing it here:
Q: Hello, I’m QuizGuru
P: And I’m PowerDodge69
Q: This is the first video we’ve made together.
P: And it wasn’t easy since we live 8 hours away from each other.
Q: But we made it, and so we’re here to present to you our (insert time) long episode entitled “Anime Versus Cartoons”
P: So why did we decide to make this?
Q: Well, I guess it all started when I was having a forum debate about the subject and I suddenly got the idea to make a video to prove the differences between Anime and Cartoons.
P: So anyway, here’s the schedule for the video, first we will be discussing the differences in Genres.
Q: Next we will go into the Themes, as in the opening and ending sequences that all shows have.
P: Following that will be how the Characters are portrayed in the two different show types.
Q: Plot will then be discussed as it is one of the most crucial differences between Anime and Cartoons.
P: Then we will get into the more complicated parts, beginning with Backgrounds.
Q: After that is Detail, Angles…
P: And finishing up with Content.
Q: Then at the end, we’ll have a special performance, aided by two of our other friends.
P: But before we get into any of this, I think we should answer this question “What is the definition of an Anime and a Cartoon?”
Q: Well, luckily, we looked them both up on the internet dictionary. Let’s start with Cartoons.
P: “Cartoon: A sketch or drawing, usually humorous, as in a newspaper or periodical, symbolizing, satirizing, or caricaturing some action, subject, or person of popular interest.”
Q: “Anime: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art and often adult themes.”
P: So right off the bat, by definition, Anime and Cartoons are different. So why are we making this long video?
Q: Some people are not satisfied with this by itself. In fact, I have a direct quote from the person I was debating with on the forum, Lum-Chan.com. This was shortly after my denial of anime being a type of cartoon. Ahem…
“So anime isn't a series of pictures displayed at a speed that gives the illusion of motion? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what a cartoon (of the animated variety) is.”
P: WHAT?
Q: Okay, first I did not say that anime wasn’t “a series of pictures displayed at a speed…” etc etc. I said it wasn’t a type of cartoon.
P: There’s something wrong with that statement… EVERYTHING you see on a TV or a movie screen is “a series of pictures displayed at a speed that gives the illusion of motion” not just cartoons.
Q: Before we move to Genres, there’s one aspect we have in our notes that I wanted to mention, as we couldn’t fit it in another category. Here you read it.
P: Let’s see… It should be fairly clear that most of the time, Anime is derived from Manga. Cartoons, therefore, are derived from comic books or comic strips.
Q: However, this doesn’t seem to occur as much as transfer from Manga to Anime, and there are a number of Anime AND Cartoons that aren’t derived from a prior media.
P: So if Manga and Comic Strips are the origins, when were these created?
Q: According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_strip), Comic Strips started in the 1930’s as adventure stories.
P: 1930’s??? That’s almost 80 years ago!
Q: I know. However, according to an article by Matt Thorn in 2005 (http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/history.html) Manga was developed in the 18th century. That’s between 200 and 300 years ago!
P: That’s nuts, so manga is older than comics?
Q: Not quite… according to his article, the Manga from this era are not DIRECT ancestors of modern day Manga. More like the content was transferred over, but the presentation of multi-panels was adapted from comic strips.
P: Ahh… so then manga comes from comics then.
Q: That's not quite true either. Who’s to say that modern day Manga would be the same if not for the 18th century manga content, content which we will discuss later in this video.
P: According to Matt’s article, there were some differences between the first manga and the comics of those days. For starters, Comics were seen as more of a children’s entertainment. But Manga stayed with people through high school and even college! There are adults who read manga too. Another thing is that while comics were seen as a boy’s thing, Manga had a sort of split between Boy Manga, Shounen, and Girl Manga, Shoujo.
Q: I think that completes our first segment of the video, from this point on we will no longer be talking about Manga or Comic Strips. If you want to know more of the history, check out Matt’s article. Moving on, we’re going to discuss Genre.
That's what I have so far. Once I pick my anime to example from, I'm gonna write the Genre section.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on September 20, 2009, 01:23:29 AM
To be quite honest with ya, I kinda forgot XD. Thanks for reminding me. I'll try getting it up by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on September 20, 2009, 01:56:34 PM
I'm having trouble reading the whole script because I want to scroll down and when I go to do it with the mouse, it disapears and I don't have that thingy that scrolls down between the two buttons of the mouse. -.-
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 20, 2009, 04:19:59 PM
lol, I c, I'll take spoilers off then.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on September 21, 2009, 04:53:06 PM
Thank you so much, UruseiNeo.
I think it will be a long, long, long video. Still, I want to watch it.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 22, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
This is the next part of the script (Genre):
----------------------------- P: Alright, so starting with Cartoons, the only genres you seem to find are either Comedy or Action. To this day, we’ve yet to see many Cartoons that are horror, romantic, dramatic, or sportive.
Q: Cartoons are sometimes violent… but even then it’s more like comedic violence like… Itchy and Scratchy!
P: Yeah, like if you watch Cartoons like American Dad, the Simpsons, or Family Guy, there are occasions where there is violence and blood, but even then it doesn’t seem to be taken seriously.
Q: However, we’re talking about Genre FOCUS, as in the genre of the series as a whole. Having one or two episodes outside the comedic genre doesn’t count; cartoons have a main Comedic or Action focus. The shows mentioned so far are Comedy, that’s that.
P: As for the Action Genre, these normally apply to super hero shows like The Batman, The Spectacular Spider-Man, and all your other favorite comic book heroes.
Q: It is these types of Cartoons that carry a more seriousness throughout the show. With action types, you can’t help but have some violence and drama, and unlike Comedic Cartoons, the violence in Action Cartoons is serious, not funny.
P: It is the Action type of Cartoons that seems more like Anime in terms of genre, which we shall discuss now.
Q: Anime can have a series focus of almost any genre. There are Anime that focus on Romance, Psychology—
P: Mind Blowing
Q: Sports, Martial Arts, Thriller, Mecha, all this in addition to Comedy or Action, like Cartoons.
P: “Slam Dunk” is a sport Anime, it focuses around Basketball. There’s also “Prince of Tennis”, which is, obviously, a Tennis Anime, and “Big Windup” is one for Baseball.
Q: There are Anime that don’t have a genre focus of Comedy or Action at all. Death Note is an example of a somewhat Thriller/Psychological Anime. Death Note is NOT FUNNY… EXCEPT FOR MISA… Who is the only Comic relief character in the show.
P: Death Note involves a lot of killing, actual killing… by the main character.
Q: Basically he’s killing all the criminals in the world and anyone who tries to stop him.
P: There are too many Martial Arts Anime to count. “Dragon Ball Z”, “Kenichi”, “Yu Yu Hakusho”, I guess “MAR” might count as one… and Romance Anime include “Ouran High School Host Club”, “Clannad”, “Hatsukoi Limited”, “Karin”, and many more.
Q: Mecha is basically an Anime exclusive genre that involves giant mechanical humanoid robots that pilots control. Transformers wouldn’t really count, I don’t think, cause nobody pilots them. Any “Gundam” Anime counts as Mecha, as well as “Code Geass”, “Eureka Seven”, “Neon Genesis: Evangelion” and the list goes on. If there are giant robots piloted by people usually between 14 and late 20’s, then you’re probably watching an Anime.
P: Oh, and then there’s Slice of Life Anime. Slice of Life is a genre involving the characters going to school or work or whatever. When Slice of Life is the focus, generally there are no super natural happenings throughout the anime, it’s kinda like “Friends” or “90210.” Examples: “Azumanga Daioh”, “Clannad” again, “Hatsukoi Limited”… again… A lot of Slice of Life Anime seems to carry the Romance Genre as well… “Ouran High School”… Again… “Kenichi” Again, but that was a Marital Arts before. “Lucky Star”…
Q: “Lucky Star” is the ultimate Slice of Life; the main character is an ANIME FANATIC.
P: “Welcome to the NHK” is Slice of Life… but it’s also a Psychological Anime and…
Q: Creeps me out…… There’s a lot of suicide attempts… Love it…
P: I think we made our point in terms of Genre…
Q: Ya… just for the record, there’s also Sci-Fi, Magic, Game, Music, Military, Drama, Fantasy… and many more, some of which I can’t mention…
P: Okay so we’ve discussed Genre, the next segment is all about Themes.
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Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 26, 2009, 04:11:36 AM
bump :p
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on September 26, 2009, 07:26:56 AM
Sorry 'bout not uploading the Conan O'Brien thing yet. The video is actually hosted on Hulu. There are 2 complications: I have to use multiple proxies at the same time just to access it (I live in Canada, not USA), and even after that, it is next to impossible to save the video. I browsed though the page's sources, tried downloaders, everything!
The only option I have left is to do a screen capture, but the video quality either sucks, or the video lags.
So basically, I'm stuck =(
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 26, 2009, 05:07:28 PM
The next two sections are done, Themes and Character.
I need to know if there are any problems.
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Q: Unless the anime has been Americanized to the point where the opening and ending themes have been remade for English distribution, the Themes are probably the best way to tell Anime and Cartoons apart.
P: There are a number of differences between the two. Focusing on the opening theme first, the length of the intro is different for each case. Cartoons’ intro length is rather varied from 30 seconds to one minute. There’s no real specific time, but usually it’ll be closer to one minute.
Q: Anime openings are almost ALWAYS a minute and a half. Not only that, but they are all short versions of regular full length songs that are 3 or 4 minutes. I’ve yet to see a Cartoon Opening that has an original full length version.
P: The Title of the show is also important. A cartoon’s title will usually be displayed one time, either at the beginning or at the end, and the design will consist of usually one color for the letters and maybe a few other symbols like Hank’s head for the “King of the Hill” Title.
Q: Anime titles could be displayed multiple times throughout the opening, as if we didn’t catch it the first time. It might not be shown right at the beginning or end, it could be somewhere in the middle. Whoever designs these titles puts a lot of work into it, as there’s always some sort of attention grabber like “Death Note’s” title is shown on a cross, with some of the letters reversed or sideways.
P: “Venus versus Virus” has almost TOO MANY things with its title.
Q: Another thing with the openings is that Anime Openings are 98% of the time SUNG by people. Whereas cartoons are, most of the time, instrumentals.
P: A Cartoon opening might have people singing, but it’ll probably be the characters from the show singing.
Q: Of course, there are Anime openings where the lead characters sing too. But they are PROFESSIONAL singers. Aya Hirano sang all the opening and ending themes for “The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya” not necessarily with her “Haruhi” voice, and she was accompanied by two of the other characters for the ending themes.
P: Aya Hirano is a real singer, and she has released many songs besides anime themes. Another note is that long-run anime have more than one opening theme. Cartoons stick to their single opening.
Q: Watching an Anime opening can give you hints about what you may find in the series. Cartoons usually just show you the characters. Another thing I like about the Anime openings is how they are more like shorter Music Videos.
P: That’s right. The clips are very synchronized to the music. Speaking of clips, Anime openings almost never use clips DIRECTLY from the episodes. Maybe 1% of the time they will use clips.
Q: Now we’re going to show you some theme examples. We’re going to show two Cartoon themes and one Anime theme, as it is longer.
P: Picking an Anime opening was more difficult, we needed to find one that was in English so that people who aren’t used to Japanese themes could understand it better.
Q: We found one, but it’s still sung by Japanese singers, so there is an accent involved. We’ve provided subtitles.
P: We’ve provided notes during these themes. Now let’s go on and play them:
(Play Family Guy Theme, Spider-Man Theme, and "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" )
Q: To rap this section up, we’ll have a short discussion about the ENDING themes of the two categories.
P: Anime ending themes are similar to the opening themes in many ways. They use a real, shortened, song, which is sung. They incorporate a video with it, but they don’t have the title or synchronize the clips to the music as often.
Q: Cartoon endings will usually be the same theme from the opening, maybe a little different in some way, and the credits are shown over a single background. Could they be any more different?
P: I believe that Characters is our next topic of discussion. --------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Wow, this section has a lot of stuff in it. We’re gonna have to cover a number of things during this section.
*PowerDodge places his index and middle fingers on his forehead and vanishes*
Q: It’s your line, Power… Wait what the hell? Where did… DODGE! Where’d you go? Damnit… Now I have to do this section by myself… I should probably use the script.
Well, there are a number of differences between Cartoon characters and Anime characters. The most basic thing to notice is the eyes. Cartoon character eyes will often be a simple round white circle with a black circle in the middle, this black circle can vary in size depending on the show, and will have a varied color if big enough. Something I noticed recently is that some Cartoon characters don’t even have eye brows!
I think it’s no secret that a lot of Anime characters have really big eyes. Usually eyes this big are only used for female characters and children. Basically they serve as an innocence factor. More serious characters, most often male teenagers or older, will have narrower eyes. Female characters can have narrower eyes too, but that usually symbols how mean they are. The pupils themselves are much more detailed and can be any color.
Hair is a big difference. Hair doesn’t seem to have much movement in Cartoons, it’s rather stabilized. In Anime, hair moves with the slightest shifting of the head. Like eyes, hair can be ANY color. Hair for an Anime character is often used to express the character’s personality through its color or style.
We all know that some, not all, cartoon characters are missing a finger. This is corrected in Anime; all characters have 4 fingers and a thumb.
I don’t know why I have “Mouth” written here in my notes… I think it had something to do with how the sizes for mouths in Anime are proportionate to the volume they are speaking.
Height… forgot why I wrote that too…
Traits… I don’t know how much this relates to Cartoon characters, but in Anime, characters often have a unique personality. Actually, I think I can elaborate on this. Using the SOS Brigade as an example, looking at their faces, you can distinguish each personality to some point.
I really wish PowerDodge would come back, cause I’m not doing very well on my own right now…
Oh! This one is definitely an Anime Exclusive trait: Chibi Form! Also known as Super Deformed.
Anime characters are designed to look as realistic to human beings as possible, down to the last muscle joint. But when things are feeling too serious, they use a special comic relief technique called “Chibi form” where the character suddenly becomes smaller and less proportionate in body parts.
This is usually applied when some random event occurs or when someone makes a strange comment. I’ve seen the reverse happen too, when something so depressing happens that the character suddenly becomes old and ugly looking. Of course, these deformations last a few seconds before they return to their normal versions.
I don’t think I can get any further with Character without help. So let’s move on to Plot.
*PowerDodge teleports back wearing a tourist T-Shirt with “I <3 Japan” on it and a camera around his neck*
Q: Where the hell did you go?
P: Ano… Nihon ni ikimashita.
Q: Wait… what? You disappeared for an entire segment!
P: Soo desu ka.
Q: Stop that! Why are you speaking Japanese?
P: It says so in the script.
Q: No it doesn’t! I wrote the script, and—Oh hey it really does say that. ------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 12, 2009, 03:28:29 AM
(Sorry for dbl post but it's been a while since last update and I had a question)
Well, I finished the entire script. It's pretty long and I need help. I wanted people here to read it to see if there is anything wrong/missing/etc but I dunno if anyone here is interested.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on November 12, 2009, 05:46:16 PM
I'll gladly give my opinion about it if you post it.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 12, 2009, 09:09:49 PM
Q: Hello, I’m QuizGuru
P: And I’m Mike
Q: This is the first video we’ve made together.
P: And it wasn’t easy since we live 8 hours away from each other.
Q: But we made it, and so we’re here to present to you our (insert time) long episode entitled “Anime Versus Cartoons”
P: So why did we decide to make this?
Q: Well, I guess it all started when I was having a forum debate about the subject and I suddenly got the idea to make a video to prove the differences between Anime and Cartoons.
P: Fair warning, most of the things we explain will be based on the average Cartoon and Anime.
Q: We are well aware that some shows don’t apply to all the things we say.
P: We’re going to be specifically referring to episodic show, which means no movies. This is mostly because movies are a little more complicated in differentiating between Anime and Cartoons.
Q: We’re also going to be taking 3D animated shows out of the equation for similar reasons. So as much as we’d all like to talk about the new Astro Boy movie made in the U.S. sadly it won’t be covered in this video.
P: So anyway, here’s the schedule for the show, first we will be discussing the differences in Genres.
Q: Next we will go into the Themes, as in the opening and ending sequences that all shows have.
P: Following that will be how the Characters are portrayed in the two different show types.
Q: Plot will then be discussed as it is one of the most crucial differences between Anime and Cartoons.
P: Then we will get into the more complicated parts, beginning with Detail
Q: After that is Angles…
P: And finishing up with Content.
Q: Then at the end, we’ll have a special performance, aided by two of our other friends.
P: But before we get into any of this, I think we should answer this question “What is the definition of an Anime and a Cartoon?”
Q: Well, luckily, we looked them both up on the internet dictionary. Let’s start with Cartoons.
P: “Cartoon: A sketch or drawing, usually humorous, as in a newspaper or periodical, symbolizing, satirizing, or caricaturing some action, subject, or person of popular interest.”
Q: “Anime: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art and often adult themes.”
P: So right off the bat, by definition, Anime and Cartoons are different. So why are we making this long video?
Q: Some people are not satisfied with this by itself. In fact, I have a direct quote from the person I was debating with on the forum, Lum-Chan.com. This was shortly after my denial of anime being a type of cartoon. Ahem…
“So anime isn't a series of pictures displayed at a speed that gives the illusion of motion? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what a cartoon (of the animated variety) is.”
P: WHAT?
Q: Okay, first I did not say that anime wasn’t “a series of pictures displayed at a speed…” etc etc. I said it wasn’t a type of cartoon.
P: There’s something wrong with that statement… EVERYTHING you see on a TV or a movie screen is “a series of pictures displayed at a speed that gives the illusion of motion” not just cartoons.
Q: Before we move to Genres, there’s one aspect we have in our notes that I wanted to mention, as we couldn’t fit it in another category. Here you read it.
P: Let’s see… It should be fairly clear that most of the time, Anime is derived from Manga. Cartoons, therefore, are derived from comic books or comic strips.
Q: However, Manga to Anime seems to occur more often, and there are a number of Anime AND Cartoons that aren’t derived from a prior media at all.
P: So if Manga and Comic Strips are the origins, when were these created?
Q: According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_strip), Comic Strips started in the 1930’s as adventure stories.
P: 1930’s??? That’s almost 80 years ago!
Q: I know. However, according to an article by Matt Thorn in 2005 (http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/history.html) Manga was developed in the 18th century. That’s between 200 and 300 years ago!
P: That’s nuts, so manga is older than comics?
Q: Not quite… according to his article, the Manga from this era are not DIRECT ancestors of modern day Manga. More like the content was transferred over, but the presentation of multi-panels was adapted from comic strips.
P: Ahh… so then manga comes from comics then.
Q: That’s not quite true either. Who’s to say that modern day Manga would be the same if not for the 18th century manga content, content which we will discuss later in this video.
P: According to Matt’s article, there were some differences between the first manga and the comics of those days. For starters, Comics were seen as more of a children’s entertainment. But Manga stayed with people through high school and even college! There are adults who read manga too. Another thing is that while comics were seen as a boy’s thing, Manga had a sort of split between Boy Manga, Shounen, and Girl Manga, Shoujo.
Q: I think that completes our first segment of the video, from this point on we will no longer be talking about Manga or Comic Strips. If you want to know more of the history, check out Matt’s article. Moving on, we’re going to discuss Genre.
P: Alright, so starting with Cartoons, the only genres you seem to find are either Comedy or Action. To this day, we’ve yet to see many Cartoons that are horror, romantic, dramatic, or sportive.
Q: Cartoons are sometimes violent… but even then it’s more like comedic violence like… Itchy and Scratchy!
P: Yeah, like if you watch Cartoons like American Dad, the Simpsons, or Family Guy, there are occasions where there is violence and blood, but even then it doesn’t seem to be taken seriously.
Q: However, we’re talking about Genre FOCUS, as in the genre of the series as a whole. Having one or two episodes outside the comedic genre doesn’t count; cartoons have a main Comedic or Action focus. The shows mentioned so far are Comedy, that’s that.
P: As for the Action Genre, these normally apply to super hero shows like The Batman, The Spectacular Spider-Man, and all your other favorite comic book heroes.
Q: It is these types of Cartoons that carry a more seriousness throughout the show. With action types, you can’t help but have some violence and drama, and unlike Comedic Cartoons, the violence in Action Cartoons is serious, not funny.
P: It is the Action type of Cartoons that seems more like Anime in terms of genre, which we shall discuss now.
Q: Anime can have a series focus of almost any genre. There are Anime that focus on Romance, Psychology—
P: Mind Blowing
Q: Sports, Martial Arts, Thriller, Mecha, all this in addition to Comedy or Action, like Cartoons.
P: “Slam Dunk” is a sport Anime, it focuses around Basketball. There’s also “Prince of Tennis”, which is, obviously, a Tennis Anime, and “Big Windup” is one for Baseball.
Q: There are Anime that don’t have a genre focus of Comedy or Action at all. “Death Note” is an example of a somewhat Thriller/Psychological Anime. “Death Note” is NOT FUNNY… EXCEPT FOR MISA… Who is the only Comic relief character in the show.
P: “Death Note” involves a lot of killing, actual killing… and by the main character too.
Q: Basically he’s killing all the criminals in the world and anyone who tries to stop him.
P: There are too many Martial Arts Anime to count. “Dragon Ball Z”, “Kenichi”, “Yu Yu Hakusho”, I guess “MAR” might count as one… and Romance Anime include “Ouran High School Host Club”, “Clannad”, “Hatsukoi Limited”, “Karin”, and many more.
Q: Mecha is basically an Anime exclusive genre that involves giant mechanical humanoid robots that pilots control. Transformers wouldn’t really count, I don’t think, cause nobody pilots them. Any “Gundam” Anime counts as Mecha, as well as “Code Geass”, “Eureka Seven”, “Neon Genesis: Evangelion” and the list goes on. If there are giant robots piloted by people usually between 14 and late 20’s, then you’re probably watching an Anime.
P: Oh, and then there’s Slice of Life Anime. Slice of Life is a genre involving the characters going to school or work or whatever. When Slice of Life is the focus, generally there are no super natural happenings throughout the anime, it’s kinda like “Friends” or “90210.” Examples: “Azumanga Daioh”, “Clannad” again, “Hatsukoi Limited”… again… A lot of Slice of Life Anime seems to carry the Romance Genre as well… “Ouran High School”… Again… “Kenichi” Again, but that was a Marital Arts before. “Lucky Star”…
Q: “Lucky Star” is the ultimate Slice of Life; the main character is an ANIME FANATIC.
P: “Welcome to the NHK” is Slice of Life… but it’s also a Psychological Anime and…
Q: Creeps me out…… There’s a lot of suicide attempts… Love it…
P: I think we made our point in terms of Genre…
Q: Ya… just for the record, there’s also Sci-Fi, Magic, Game, Music, Military, Drama, Fantasy… and many more, some of which I can’t mention…
P: Okay so we’ve discussed Genre, the next segment is all about Themes.
Q: Unless the anime has been Americanized to the point where the opening and ending themes have been remade for English distribution, the Themes are probably the best way to tell Anime and Cartoons apart.
P: There are a number of differences between the two. Focusing on the opening theme first, the length of the intro is different for each case. Cartoons’ intro length is rather varied from 30 seconds to one minute. There’s no real specific time, but usually it’ll be closer to one minute.
Q: Anime openings are almost ALWAYS a minute and a half. Not only that, but they are all short versions of regular full length songs that are 3 or 4 minutes. I’ve yet to see a Cartoon Opening that has an original full length version.
P: The Title of the show is also important. A cartoon’s title will usually be displayed one time, either at the beginning or at the end, and the design will consist of usually one color for the letters and maybe a few other symbols like Hank’s head for the “King of the Hill” Title.
Q: Anime titles could be displayed multiple times throughout the opening, as if we didn’t catch it the first time. It might not be shown right at the beginning or end, it could be somewhere in the middle. Whoever designs these titles puts a lot of work into it, as there’s always some sort of attention grabber like “Death Note’s” title is shown on a cross, with some of the letters reversed or sideways.
P: “Venus versus Virus” has almost TOO MANY things with its title.
Q: Another thing with the openings is that Anime Openings are 98% of the time SUNG by people. Whereas cartoons are, most of the time, instrumentals.
P: A Cartoon opening might have people singing, but it’ll probably be the characters from the show singing.
Q: Also, I have never seen an Anime theme where the name of the show is somewhere in the lyrics.
P: Whereas in a Cartoon, the name of the show is almost always in the lyrics of a its theme and is practically inevitable.
Q: Of course, there are Anime openings where the lead characters sing too. But they are PROFESSIONAL singers. Aya Hirano sang all the opening and ending themes for “The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya” not necessarily with her “Haruhi” voice, and she was accompanied by two of the other characters for the ending themes.
P: Aya Hirano is a real singer, and she has released many songs besides anime themes. Another note is that long-run anime have more than one opening theme. Cartoons stick to their single opening.
Q: Watching an Anime opening can give you hints about what you may find in the series. Cartoons usually just show you the characters. Another thing I like about the Anime openings is how they are more like shorter Music Videos.
P: That’s right. The clips are very synchronized to the music. Speaking of clips, Anime openings almost never use clips DIRECTLY from the episodes. Maybe 1% of the time they will use clips.
Q: Now we’re going to show you some theme examples. We’re going to show two Cartoon themes and one Anime theme, as it is longer.
P: Picking an Anime opening was more difficult, we needed to find one that was in English so that people who aren’t used to Japanese themes could understand it better.
Q: We found one, but it’s still sung by Japanese singers, so there is an accent involved. We’ve provided subtitles.
P: We’ve provided notes during these themes. Now let’s go on and play them:
(Play Family Guy Theme, Spider-Man Theme, Bleach theme 4)
Q: To rap this section up, we’ll have a short discussion about the ENDING themes of the two categories.
P: Anime ending themes are similar to the opening themes in many ways. They use a real, shortened, song, which is sung. They incorporate a video with it, but they don’t have the title or synchronize the clips to the music as often.
Q: Cartoon endings will usually be the same theme from the opening, maybe a little different in some way, and the credits are shown over a single background. Could they be any more different?
P: I believe that Characters is our next topic of discussion.
Q: Wow, this section has a lot of stuff in it. We’re gonna have to cover a number of things during this section.
*PowerDodge places his index and middle fingers on his forehead and vanishes*
Q: It’s your line, Mike… Wait what the hell? Where did… MIKE! Where’d you go? Damnit… Now I have to do this section by myself… I should probably use the script.
Well, there are a number of differences between Cartoon characters and Anime characters. The most basic thing to notice is the eyes. Cartoon character eyes will often be a simple round white circle with a black circle in the middle, this black circle can vary in size depending on the show, and will have a varied color if big enough. Something I noticed recently is that some Cartoon characters don’t even have eye brows!
I think it’s no secret that a lot of Anime characters have really big eyes. Usually eyes this big are only used for female characters and children. Basically they serve as an innocence factor. More serious characters, most often male teenagers or older, will have narrower eyes. Female characters can have narrower eyes too, but that usually symbols how mean they are. The pupils themselves are much more detailed and can be any color.
Hair is a big difference. Hair doesn’t seem to have much movement in Cartoons, it’s rather stabilized. In Anime, hair moves with the slightest shifting of the head. Like eyes, hair can be ANY color. Hair for an Anime character is often used to express the character’s personality through its color or style.
We all know that some, not all, cartoon characters are missing a finger. This is corrected in Anime; all characters have 4 fingers and a thumb.
I don’t know why I have “Mouth” written here in my notes… I think it had something to do with how the sizes for mouths in Anime are proportionate to the volume they are speaking.
Height… forgot why I wrote that too…
Traits… I don’t know how much this relates to Cartoon characters, but in Anime, characters often have a unique personality. Actually, I think I can elaborate on this. Using the SOS Brigade as an example, looking at their faces, you can distinguish each personality to some point.
I really wish Mike would come back, cause I’m not doing very well on my own right now…
Oh! This one is definitely an Anime Exclusive trait: Chibi Form! Also known as “Super Deformed”.
Anime characters are designed to look as realistic to human beings as possible, down to the last muscle joint. But when things are feeling too serious, they use a special comic relief technique called “Chibi form” where the character suddenly becomes smaller and less proportionate in body parts.
This is usually applied when some random event occurs or when someone makes a strange comment. I’ve seen the reverse happen too, when something so depressing happens that the character suddenly becomes old and ugly looking. Of course, these deformations last a few seconds before they return to their normal versions.
I don’t think I can get any further with Character without help. So let’s move on to Plot.
*PowerDodge teleports back wearing a tourist T-Shirt with “I <3 Japan” on it and a camera around his neck*
Q: Where the hell did you go?
P: Ano… Nihon ni ikimashita.
Q: Wait… what? You disappeared for an entire segment!
P: Soo desu ka.
Q: Stop that! Why are you speaking Japanese?
P: It says so in the script.
Q: No it doesn’t! I wrote the script, and—Oh, son of a bitch, it really does.
P: Okay. While plot is probably one of the most distinct differences you could possibly find between Anime and Cartoons, there’s not a lot we can say about it.
Q: What it comes down to is that, on average, most of the time, Anime has plot and Cartoons do not.
P: Like we said at the beginning, we are aware that not all shows follow this rule, we can name a few Anime that don’t really have a plot, and a few Cartoons that do.
Q: While we’re at it, we just need to point out that we are referring to the plot of the show as a whole. This means that the episodes are connected. Example, shows like “Friends” and “Seinfeld” do not have the plot we are talking about.
P: “Heroes” would be a good example of a plot using show. But seriously, there’s not much else to say about plot, beyond that Anime is highly plot containing compared to Cartoons.
P: This one is strongly differs between the two. Let’s start with the realism.
Q: Like –I– said during the character section, hair is very stable in Cartoons and moves a lot more in Anime. The same thing applies to the clothing people wear among other similar things.
P: Anime and Cartoons both have their own type of, let’s call it, laws. In an Anime, some characters have a type of eyes called “Kitsune Eyes” which usually implies deviousness.
Q: A more umbrella look of the eyes would symbolize happiness more. There is also a type of symbol that shows the character is angered.
P: Cartoons, on the other hand, have different techniques. A very surprised character will have their eyes popping out of their head or their jaw dropping to the floor.
Q: Another Anime one is the sweat drop which is a little hard to explain.
P: We could go on and on with these “laws” but since we’re pressed for time, we’re gonna have to close that chapter.
Q: One of the things that annoys me the most in a cartoon… Moving objects are SUPPOSED TO have SHADOWS!!!
P: It’s bad enough that a lot of characters in cartoons don’t have any shadows coming off their clothing or anything, but you don’t even see their shadow against the floor!
Q: Unless the room is dark to begin with, I have NEVER seen an anime without shadowing.
P: Another good aspect is that for backgrounds, more specifically outside in a park or something, everything is colored in fairly solid and constant and stuff in Cartoons.
Q: Anime, grass moves, trees move, nature is actually ALIVE.
Q: The angle of scenes is our current topic. I have found that if you watch a Cartoon, the angle the scene is shown from will usually have whoever is talking in the frame, which makes sense. Additionally I found that, watching family guy, the characters almost look like they are standing at an angle when they are talking to each other and when you stop to look it looks a little weird.
P: Anime, it’s very realistic in that it uses real shots used in movies and TV shows. People who have studied film in some way may recognize the terms: Over the Shoulder Shot, Establishing Shot, Close up, Mid Shot, Wide Shot, Cutaway, Cut-In, Point of View Shot, Two Shot, etc. All these angles can and are used in various Anime.
Q: Anime really takes advantage of the unlimited possible angles, doesn’t it?
P: And because of which, they mood feels more… real… like back to the way the characters looked like they were facing diagonally, Anime characters will be shown facing each other with the angle being something like over the shoulder.
Q: Also, the person who’s talking doesn’t actually have to be in the frame. Anime also incorporates a little more scenery into its shots to establish a mood.
P: So what’s content got to do with anything? Well a lot. Cartoons are usually rated for family and only in cases such as Family are they rated 14+.
Q: Anime can be rated for teenagers and mature audiences, on top of the lower ratings.
P: Anime can, but not always does, contain: Cursing, Animated Blood, Violence, Alcohol or Drug reference, and Partial Nudity.
Q: Of course, we are aware that some Cartoons also contain such things but as mentioned in an earlier segment it is usually used as comic relief.
P: Seriously, when these things are listed on an Anime DVD, parents should probably be aware of the extent to which these refer to.
Q: So we’re gonna show some example mini clips. But don’t worry; we’re using Annotations to block the following clips if any underage viewers are present, just be sure to turn the annotations off if you are of age and wish to enjoy the content.
(Clips)
P: Well now that that’s over and done with, we have one more aspect that Anime has that Cartoons likely don’t have.
Q: Bloopers!!!!
P: Because most Anime, but not all, comes from Japan and is revoiced for English, bloopers occur during recordings and so they are released on the DVD. Lucky us!
Q: And we have compiled about 3 minutes worth of bloopers from various anime that we could find on youtube. Enjoy. --------------------------------------------
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Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on November 13, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
Look, no one said Hentai wasn't porn. I also consider it porn. What me and Falling think it should be in video is that Hentai and Ecchi should be TALKED ABOUT not showed!!!
Evangelion does have nudity in it, but it isn't pornographic. There is a big difference between nudity and pornography: pornography is shown purely for the purpose of arousal in the audience whilst nudity is used to convey a theme, weakness or it could show honesty.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: cata on November 13, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
Good script. Like we said, "we still miss hentai and ecchi" but it's your video.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 13, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
So there aren't any problems with it as of now? My friend will be coming christmas time which is when we're gonna try to get this done.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: spotless on November 30, 2009, 04:06:11 AM
anime vs cartoons??
easy to answer, i preffer anime always. cartoons are for kids. anime is for every aged.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 30, 2009, 04:27:37 AM
"Anime vs Cartoons" is a video me and my friend are making ^_^
We have the script, now we just need to film it.
Till he comes down though, I'm working on the write up for our next project, hee hee
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on December 01, 2009, 05:25:44 AM
I'm doing a project too... and I need someone to help...
Its called Ecchi vs Hentai... I need someone to help with the writing... and stuff... while I'll be researching some video material... for... ideas. XD
Now seriously... I'll be waiting to see the finished work Neo.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on December 01, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
lol, that was actually funny.
Unfortunately, even though we should be done filming it through Christmas holidays, we probably won't release it until early September 2010.
The reason is that my friend doesn't want the gap between the release of both projects to be too long, and our second project (94 episode series) HAS TO air somewhere between October 17 and 21.
So it won't be released for a while, but I'm trying to think of ways I can let you preview it.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on December 02, 2009, 01:05:43 AM
September 2010... that's so far away...
You can do a 3 min. preview and put it up on youtube for 24h for us to see and then remove it...
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on December 02, 2009, 01:22:07 AM
like an advertisement? If I can think of a good one to make, maybe.
Although, I could also just put it up for friends, then take it down after
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on December 02, 2009, 02:01:30 AM
That could work... as well XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on December 02, 2009, 03:00:00 AM
You can make it a private video, and even limit the quantity of people allowed to see it.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on December 02, 2009, 06:32:59 AM
I'll probably do that but we're gonna be making a new youtube account for the videos so you'll have to send friend requests
SonicDaMan, I really liked ur UYHD logo, do u think u could come up with something for us? Sok if u don't
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on December 02, 2009, 01:22:08 PM
Thanks ^^
sure, just send me a PM with details about what it needs ;)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on January 11, 2010, 05:35:04 PM
I probably should have mentioned this a week ago, but we finally finished filming Anime vs Cartoons!!!
The only thing I need to do now is the editing which includes voice adjustment, BGM, arrangement, and adding anime and cartoon clips.
Currently I have some japanese music playing as BGM (low enough to hear us just fine, but loud enough to cover the dogs howling at the end of the first segment XD)
But I wanted to know if maybe I shouldn't use music with lyrics, if you think it would be better to use instrumentals (Currently the only instrumentals I have are from Persona)
Btw... it's about 45 minutes long :D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on January 11, 2010, 09:19:16 PM
Coolness! ;D If you need any help, lemme know =P
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on January 12, 2010, 01:25:17 AM
If you need anime music without lyrics... check... http://gendou.com/amusic/?filter=karaoke
That should work.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on January 12, 2010, 01:51:44 AM
If it's gonna be 45 minutes, try to change the song every little while. Also make sure that it's not too distracting (don't use unsuitable beats, lower the song's volume, etc.)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on January 12, 2010, 05:50:33 AM
As I said, the volume is low enough to hear us talking fine.
I changed the music every section, but there is no real reason behind which ones go where.
I believe I had "Never More" "Super Driver" (With Cristina Vee snuck in :) ) "One Day One Dream" "Ya Break Care Break" "Evangelion Opening (forgot name)" "STARS ON (Did I? 0.0)"
do you suggest I use instrumentals?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on January 12, 2010, 06:52:08 AM
Instrumentals... that way we can listen you perfectly even if the background music is high or low...
But that's just my opinion...
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: SonicDaMan on January 12, 2010, 01:27:23 PM
Ya, I agree with FallinG, vocals would just get mixed up with your dialogue. You can always try finding instrumental versions of those songs you chose, they might be floating around somewhere ;D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 09, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
After over a year of preparation, filming, and editing. I present to everyone on Lum-Chan.com...
Anime Versus Cartoons!
Part 1:
Anime Versus Cartoons (Part 1 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCya58Bxi8#ws)
Part 2:
Anime Versus Cartoons (Part 2 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKs1nfp2e8U#ws)
Part 3: Is still being uploaded.
Also, youtube seems to have slightly unsynchronized the audio and video of part 2 (by like a second or 2 by the end of the video). Part 1 seems to be fine though.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 10, 2010, 05:07:40 AM
LoL
Reminded me of Wayne's World from SNL... ;D
I have to say after watching parts 1 & 2... there are some parts, that after thinking for a bit... I wasn't so sure about.
And was it just me or did you labeled Avatar: The Last Airbender as Cartoon?! Was it because of the OP/ED?!
Oh well... I guess it's only normal for this to happen... everyone has different opinions (and points of view)... still good job at least the basics are covered and its clear that Anime is not the same as Cartoons.
Waiting for part 3. ;D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 10, 2010, 05:34:57 AM
And was it just me or did you labeled Avatar: The Last Airbender as Cartoon?! Was it because of the OP/ED?!
So you think it's an Anime too, then? I based it being a cartoon on what the majority tends to think.
It USED to be on MAL but got taken down. Seriously though, I would count it as an anime.
as I tried stating as many times as possible XD ... Our opinions are based on observations that apply to the majority of anime/cartoon but NOT ALL and I accept that there will always be an exception to something we pointed out.
Part 3 needs reuploading as it got interrupted, should be up by tomorrow (gonna load overnight)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 10, 2010, 06:37:32 AM
And was it just me or did you labeled Avatar: The Last Airbender as Cartoon?! Was it because of the OP/ED?!
So you think it's an Anime too, then? I based it being a cartoon on what the majority tends to think..
...as I tried stating as many times as possible XD ... Our opinions are based on observations that apply to the majority of anime/cartoon but NOT ALL...
That's my point. Can Avatar be included on the same bag as, lets say, Sponge Bob? I would say no... It doesn't fit in with the majority of cartoons... yet it can fit in almost perfectly with the majority of animes out there...
Just wanted to point out that Avatar the last Airbender wasn't a good choice to display differences between Anime and Cartoons.
There's some other things I wanted to discuss but lets leave that for some other time...
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 10, 2010, 06:52:35 AM
You'll notice that in contradiction to noting it as a cartoon in the Plot section, I had earlier used it in the Character section as a demonstration of Chibi Form XD
It was hard thinking of a cartoon that actually did have plot though. I figured since most people think Avatar is a cartoon anyway, it might satisfy them, though I do slightly regret the choice.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 10, 2010, 09:32:42 AM
good video, very informative there are a few things I wanted to point out, but my brain is not working as it should. the ones I remember are the facial features like the nose and the mouth are somewhat non existent in a few characters unless, as you stated, they start yelling. but with the nose, you can barely distinguish the nose on a generic anime character unless you see it from a side profile. I want to see your 3rd part too
before I go to sleep I just wanted to show this, so it could be added for discussion later
『Panty＆Stocking with Garterbelt』予告PV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZbGlVqKXTM#ws) Seriously Gainax from the legendary Eva to the great gurren lagann to the the cute and and funny Hanamaru Youchien and now this?? the anime called my attention for a while because of the art style. but now that I see that Gir is....I mean Chuck is there as a mascot, I want to see how this turns out in this coming season. read the comments in this video on youtube to see if your videos relate to this
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 10, 2010, 04:50:28 PM
Well I can say that if I had known about that a year ago, I probably could have used it in some way for the movie 0.0
Anyways, art 3 is finally up :D
Anime Versus Cartoons (Part 3 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEeeLTgnOk#ws)
This is probably the most entertaining part of the movie since it has some actual entertainment scenes in it which u will see.
Next Week I will be releasing the bloopers from the opening the sequence to the movie.
The Week after, I will release the bloopers from the movie itself.
Then in October, I plan on releasing... our Web Series! "Hyaku Anime Laws" :D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 10, 2010, 05:05:38 PM
@ janus Powerpuff Girls Z is what that anime reminds me...
Speaking of that... Powerpuff Girls anime version... "Demashita! Power Puff Girls Z!" Ops and Eds [All/Textless] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37BqYsNm_Ao#) Powerpuff Girls Z Group Transformation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPixmCMblb0#)
I think this is enough to see the differences... XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 10, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Damn you, you just rendered our 40 minute movie useless XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 10, 2010, 06:13:11 PM
ah yes, the Powerpuff girls z, I've watched a part of it before, by that point I didn't find it interesting. The jpop songs are all really catchy, I wonder why cartoon network in the United States still hasn't picked this up.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 11, 2010, 06:51:46 PM
Now that we have our first project uploaded to youtube, we need to get our channel's popularity up and it would help us a lot if it got more subscriptions/friends and if we could get our friends to show the videos to other people, so I'm asking for help here first.
In just a month, our series project is going to debut and it's important that people are already aware of us in some way to get views on that project up. I'd hate to have already filmed 12 episodes and have no one watching them when uploaded.
So I'll ask again if we could get your help to increase our popularity, please.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: foxhead556 on September 11, 2010, 07:48:47 PM
@urusei dude i'll totally help pitch in what can I do to help?
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 11, 2010, 09:22:48 PM
subscriptions to the channel and friend requests (because according to youtuber users these are SO important :\ )
Anything that would help get our channel known like showing the movie to other people who wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
I've never tried to popularize channel before so I don't know what works best.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 12, 2010, 04:45:15 AM
ok I'm going to friend request and subscribe to you and press the "like button" on your three videos segments, although I almost never do it. you should add a crazy amount of tags to your video, that is how it usually works Edit: ohh and ahh... don't "like" your own videos, its kind of sad when you do
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 12, 2010, 05:55:56 AM
Adding crazy amount of tags is also sad and more noticable to others than liking own video.
Thanks for ur support :D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 12, 2010, 11:07:57 AM
first off I have to say: They don't do them as they used to... second of all, why Family Guy?? I made a similar research a while back, and I wish I had those links with me right now but there are a few things I want to consider
in terms of realism, animators pay too much detail to breasts, the main focus are details and/or physics, many times exaggerating it like water balloons
you may say cartoons have stable hair but what about homer simpson? he has had the most frequent shifting strands of hair in cartoon history. with anime, many characters have hair that either defy gravity or have used too much hairspray. marge simpson does not count since she has a similar high top/eraser head haircut, bart and lisa are another story.
yeah, there is a reason why doesn't action genre does not apply (http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/c/c4/X-Men_200_wraparound_cover.jpg)
if you are talking about backgrounds manga, with certain scenes and action sequences backgrounds are non-existent especially in 4koma (4 panel) (lum kick attack very effective) (http://www.lum-chan.com/gallery/447_09_09_10_8_07_44.jpeg) and have you seen 80s-90s disney cartoons like snow white? backgrounds very rich in detail although a bit blurry
something nice to add to the mix would be simba from lion king vs kimba the white lion
and how cartoons and anime have one thing in common but not completely true: Korean in-between animators
and the final point to be considered is how terrible animation has become, like how anime is still being drawn frame by frame and how anime cut many frames and where cartoons flashplayer-like animations or 3d cg
well this wouldn't be a discussion if there weren't contradicting points :P
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 12, 2010, 06:19:14 PM
"They don't do them as they used to"
Do what? draw cartoons?
Family guy wasn't the only source I used btw. I used several others, but Family Guy might have been used more cause I knew it had the clips/pictures I wanted or other such reasons.
When does Homer's hair strands move? 0.0
We said at the beginning that we would not discuss MOVIES and the reason why (we hadn't said this but) is, in my opinion, there is a bigger budget and you are making one movie instead of possibly 20+ episodes, so you can afford the additional detail and such.
You'll also notice that the Simpsons Movie had the type of shadowing that was discussed and that such shadowing is also used for portrait pictures for Simpsons and Family Guy, simply because it was affordable at the time (again, in my opinion).
I would have included that in the discussion, but the movie was already 40+ minutes. You'd be surprised how much I actually CUT from the clips that were filmed.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 13, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
Action hero cartoons... can be said it has almost the same qualities as anime... mostly because of the simple fact that they originate from comic books. There's lots of hours spent creating them...
There's one thing that I agree and yet don't agree at the same time. I'm talking about the OP/ED songs and "clips". It's true that cartoons almost always use the same song and stuff... but that is only because of marketing. If you watch just 2 episodes of the Simpsons... or American Dad (both musics are stuck on my head) its all you need to next time you are in the bathroom, you will find yourself singing it. And for example America as a long tradition in that field... and it always worked.
Now animes they have all that fancy OP and ED but that's almost for the same reason as cartoons... marketing. Even some animes are used as marketing tools to promote the manga. Even the use of professional singers, bands or composers is all just simple marketing.
I'll add more stuff as I review the videos.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 13, 2010, 01:53:49 AM
Umm, what did you disagree with? XD
You pretty much said "yes they are different, but here's why each does it their way..."
Although I didn't mention this, a lot of the times when anime themes DO include scenes from episodes, it is often scenes from the current episode that is being watched, kinda like a preview :D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 13, 2010, 05:57:33 AM
Yes basicly I said they are different and yet they do have the same goal... in the OP/ED department.
I disagree in the fact that we cannot compare the way that Japanese or American media companies pitch their works to the viewers.
In the end what they want is to lots of people to see their work. Be it with simple intros and catchy song... or elaborate titles desing with j-pop music that most people (outside Japan) can hardly remember the lyrics... XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 13, 2010, 07:16:24 AM
Fair enough, that makes sense.
In a few more days I'm gonna release the bloopers from the intro sequence to the movie :D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 15, 2010, 06:34:45 AM
Btw... since no one else brings it up... What's with the wigs? You remind me of Roger the allien... from American Dad... ;D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 15, 2010, 07:04:57 AM
That's my thing.
I wear a wig (one of three that I have) and sunglasses and also pitch adjust my voice.
The reason will be revealed at a later time :p
You'll see my variety of appearances more when "Hyaku Anime Laws" starts airing in October
Mike's thing is his Goku Cosplay, or Gohan if you count his short black hair as part of it, though he doesn't wear a wig. I think Gohan suits him better XD
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: FallinG_StaR on September 15, 2010, 07:09:39 AM
LoL.
Indeed with the blond wig he looked like that guy from Scoobie Doo... Fred I thinks its the name...
Looking forward to see you guys in "Hyaku Anime Laws"... ;D
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 15, 2010, 07:17:27 AM
our advertisement is almost done. I'm actually gonna go upload the bloopers from the AvC intro right now, since it's almost Wednesday anyway :p
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 15, 2010, 07:46:29 AM
since you said you are uploading a video of the bloopers, it almost sounds like you are releasing it on DVD.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 15, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
no, the bloopers are being uploaded to youtube on the same account, no DVDs, we'd get sued.
Should be up in just over an hour and a half which would be 12:30 am Wednesday my time :D
btw, when I managed to put up the Advertisement for Hyaku Anime Laws, you'll notice in the preview that me and Mike aren't the only characters in the show this time :D We expanded our cast, but you'll have to wait until then to learn more.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 15, 2010, 08:35:58 AM
as long as you are in fair use, you are fine Challenging a YouTube Take Down with Fair Use (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTxZ_zxAv8#ws)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 15, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
Is that seriously true? 0.0
btw, intro bloopers up:
Bloopers - Anime Versus Cartoons (Intro Part Only) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0HljAh9P5Q#ws)
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 15, 2010, 07:12:05 PM
I found it entertaining watching this,I guess I am used to watching video blogs. and that bunny! it kept reminding me of a bunny that was in a few hatsune miku videos like this one
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 15, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
lol, it was a bunny I got for one easter.
There's more bloopers from the movie itself that I'll upload before the advertisement
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 16, 2010, 07:25:59 AM
well it was strange you gave it a lot of attention throughout the whole video
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 16, 2010, 04:58:47 PM
throughout the video? It was only there for one scene XD
If you watch the actually movie you'll see what it was used for, it was the very first scene.
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: janus on September 16, 2010, 05:04:06 PM
I'm just trying to tease you here :hehe
Title: Re: Anime Vs Cartoons
Post by: UruseiNeo on September 20, 2010, 04:16:54 PM
Here's the last of the bloopers (movie part) and therefore the last of "Anime Versus Cartoons" that I need to upload which makes it officially done to me :D
Bloopers - Anime Versus Cartoons (Movie Part) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zad2gmOQ6j0#ws)