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Title: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on August 27, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
For some people otaku is a negative, but for fans of anime and manga being an otaku is a status symbol.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 27, 2009, 04:26:31 PM
Lets just say I'm not a weeaboo.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: janus on August 27, 2009, 07:41:05 PM
I would consider myself between an otaku and a weaboo, but not quite both in my criteria, since I don't tend to show off what I like to other people and people wouldn't know I like anime unless I tell them so.
If you know what if means to be a weaboo or an otaku, make a cheklist to see if I'm wrong or not.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 27, 2009, 09:21:08 PM
Anyone who knows I exist, knows I love Anime. People consider me an Otaku and my friends don't see it as a bad thing. Obviously, I think it's one of the best things someone could say about me.

I consider myself an Otaku since I love Anime and I want to increase my knowledge about Japanese culture and obviously Anime.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 27, 2009, 10:34:29 PM
I think it's okay to like anime and appreciate Japanese culture.

However there are many people that take things too far, and start denying themselves of even being who they are. They'll completely mimic anime culture to the point where they are sick (eg. speak japanese because it's cool, dress in weird cloths, completely change their diet to Japanese dishes only, believe that they are 100% Japanese, show hatred and complete denial that they are american/canadian/whatever).

That's a weeaboo.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: janus on August 27, 2009, 11:50:40 PM
well I admire much the Talent Japanese can have and try to learn much as I can from it, but I don't take such drastic actions like weboos do, like making friends with someone just because he/she is Japanese and asking them about anime, or trying to act as them and denying your background. That reason that I don't do that I take those measure (although sometimes on the inside I want to) is for respect to the Japanese in general, Putting myself in their shoes and seeing that type of obsessive behavior from a weaboo wold be embarrassing or even insulting. I try to see both on both sides, so that is why I have this opinion
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 01:29:46 AM
You know? You're starting to scare me since... I might be a Weeabo or whatever it's called. Oo

Well... I began to learn japanese to play "Endless Summer" (UY's DS game)
I know how to eat WITH chopsticks but it wasn't because of Anime.
I say a lot of japanese words such as curse words and things like "nanda?" etc.
I don't sit on my knees.
I still eat portuguese dishes. In fact, I never tasted japanese food.
Well... maybe if I knew a japanese person I would try to be their friend and eventually ask them about Anime and games.
I don't believe I'm japanese (that would be stupid. Just look at me! xD)
I don't dress in weird clothes. I mean... I'm a tomboy but... I think what I wear is normal.


Nah... false allarm! xD
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 01:32:37 AM
u mean eat WITH chopsticks XD
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
Oh yeah my bad! :O

That was funny! xD
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 28, 2009, 02:00:22 AM
Trust me, your not a weeaboo. THIS is a weeaboo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEtNWDZleng (may be contain strong language from the commentators)
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on August 28, 2009, 02:10:55 AM
If this was a quiz this is what it would look like for me.

Do you consider yourself:
a) Otaku
b) Weeaboo (learned something new today) XD
c) Both
d) None of the above

I would answer d)

I like anime and manga... but lets face it that's as far as I go... I like japanese culture... that was the reason I started watching anime... I work in a hotel and I like to learn a little bit of every language... I wouldn't like to imitate japanese people because actually I find them weird... at least in their social ways...

So I think I'm safe... I'm not a weeaboo or otaku... I'm just a Ecchi pervert... XD


LoL... So that's a weeaboo... someone get that girl a japanese psychiatrist!!! XD
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
Like... People are who they want to be right? I don't see her harming anyone (unless that dog that looked like panicking! xD). Like I see weeabos as normal people. Well... she scared me a bit but I wouldn't mind being her friend if she's a good person, you know?

I don't see myself keeping Yen's, wearing cat and etc. ears, do the Haruhi dance, or everytime I'm around a hot person or the person I'm interest in I start behaving like Anime (like making funny expressions or that thing with your hands and so on.

The thing I most do is... imagining Anime stuff like (this may sound really weird) when I had a 12 in History (!!!!) I began imagining like fireworks around me or when something bad happens (like bad luck) I curse and then get like the "it's always me" attitude. xD Oh and when I'm nervous, I usually put my hand in the back of my neck.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on August 28, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
I think learning Japanese to watch anime and manga in their original form is otaku rather than webo. Webos just act Japanese just for the sake of it because they think its cool. When an otaku does something anime related its because they enjoy it, not just because they think it makes them look good.

I get the impression that webos are the sort of people that otakus and normal people view with contempt. They are the show offs of the manga world.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on August 28, 2009, 04:29:30 PM
I do a number of anime gestures but cause I think it's funny. Though, now I do them almost automatically. I don't reject being 50% French, 25% English, 12.5% Irish, 12.5% Scottish, and being born in Canada.

In fact, I don't eat Japanese food at all.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 10:45:35 PM
I just know Anime-related gestures I do because other people notice it and often joke with me about it. I don't even notice I do them.

I never lied about me being portuguese! xD

Like, people are who they are and if they're happy with who they are, good for them, right? =)
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 28, 2009, 11:20:17 PM
The only gesture I do is \m/. I see it a lot in Ranma 1/2 (I use it as a "rock on" kinda thing, Ranma 1/2 uses it when they get defeated)
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 28, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
In Japanese it means "I love you", I read somewhere and that somewhere I think it was in this Forum. Oo
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on August 29, 2009, 01:04:51 AM
Quote from: cata on August 28, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
In Japanese it means "I love you", I read somewhere and that somewhere I think it was in this Forum. Oo

Hmmmmmmmmmm... interesting. Learned something new lol
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on August 29, 2009, 01:25:45 AM
That's always good, I think. =D
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on October 18, 2009, 04:40:46 AM
A survey of over 4,000 Japanese reveals just how easy it is thought to be to spot a (male) otaku from how he dresses…

The ranking:

1. He has an anime T-shirt

2. He has an anime shopping bag

3. He has a waist pouch (”fanny pack” / “bum bag”)

4. He wears a bandanna (hachimaki)

5. His bag is covered in anime badges

6. His hair is excessively long

7. He wears his rucksack over both shoulders

8. He has big, thick glasses

9. He tucks his shirt/T-shirt into his trousers

10. He wears chemical wash jeans


(http://www.neutronstar.org/soc/Images/hentai=good.gif)
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on October 18, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
Well, then I'm not an Otaku by those standards. All I have from Anime merchandising is:

1- Naruto poster (I won a prize. xD)
2- Gaara Sandbag (Naruto/Naruto Shippuuden)
3- Stuffed Shikamaru (Naruto Shippuuden)
4- Sasuke (Naruto)

Now I realize that I have lots of stuff of Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden and NONE of my top "whatever" Anime! >.<
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on October 19, 2009, 01:41:05 AM
That's only natural... with the amount of merchandise they spit out everyday...
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on October 19, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
I had the opportunity to buy a Berserk (man I love this!) Manga Volume but... reading? No thanks. >.<
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: spotless on November 03, 2009, 06:25:34 AM
not consider myself an otaku, but I'm actually a fan of anime and have seen many series
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on November 10, 2009, 12:06:58 AM
I would consider myself an otaku because I'm always watching anime and think about it daily. When I'm older I would like to go on holiday to Japan although I will probably have to spend quite a while saving up. I would like to try Japanese food as it does looks good, although I probably wouldn't eat it every day.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on November 10, 2009, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Urusei0Yatsura on November 10, 2009, 12:06:58 AM
I don't own any merchandise but that is because they don't sell it in shops outside Japan.

Wrong. You can get merchandise from only shopping and from merchandising tents that exist in Anime/Manga events. I got my Naruto stuff in some of those events.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on November 10, 2009, 09:01:47 PM
There's actually some stores in my area that specialize in anime/manga merchandise. Just that most of the stuff there is mainstream.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: veehive on November 10, 2009, 10:45:12 PM
And, there's always purchasing from Japan. Not that hard to do (ain't the Internet great?) but a little pricey (shipping costs will frighten you). Still, it's how I've acquired a few interesting trinkets and it is SO COOL to buy these and own them!

Presenting ... my harem  ;D

Haruhi Suzumiya "no Gekisou". About 20cm tall. Picture doesn't do her justice; the level of detail is phenominal.
(http://www.lum-chan.com/gallery/598_10_11_09_10_18_18.jpg)

Tsukasa & Kagami Hiiragi (from "LuckyStar")in a NewYear's pose. About 15 cm tall.
(http://www.lum-chan.com/gallery/598_10_11_09_10_24_01.jpg)

Yotsuba Koiwai (from "Yotsuba&!") -- my first figurine. 12 cm tall.
(http://www.lum-chan.com/gallery/598_10_11_09_10_28_44.jpg)

(and more to come ... gotta get the Yui Hirasawa and Mio Akiyama figurines from K-On!)
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on December 27, 2009, 03:34:11 AM
I really like that Lucky Star figurine. I don't own manga because A its expensive, B I read it too quickly, C I get it online.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: FallinG_StaR on December 27, 2009, 05:43:26 AM
Hmm... still buying or reading manga wont make you an otaku "per se"...

I used to buy some manga but some series are just too big... and the money is needed elsewhere... XD So I just like you and other millions of people just get it online... and if I like some chapter... I just print it out at work... XD and even that wont make me an otaku... XD

But this will...

Spoiler (hover to show)

 ;D ;D ;D

I'm joking...

I wish I could buy all that... but like Veehive said... "(shipping costs will frighten you)" And indeed they do... XD
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on December 27, 2009, 05:47:38 AM
Quote from: FallinG_StaR on December 27, 2009, 05:43:26 AM
I wish I could buy all that... but like Veehive said... "(shipping costs will frighten you)" And indeed they do... XD

That's what I figured when I look at getting some of these online. Just my luck, there's an anime shop 20 minutes away from my house (or 1 hour if I take a bus XD) If the stores aren't a bunch of rip-off artists, I'd gladly buy a figure or two ;D

Even if I don't get these, I'm definitely getting me some wallscrolls ^^
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: theclaw on December 27, 2009, 09:47:18 AM
I don't have the space for much these days. My largest collection was Pokemon before selling most of that. Haven't opened the lone Lum figure yet.

Though I've got lots of wall, few things will stick cleanly on the type mine is. :-\
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on December 28, 2009, 10:42:10 PM
Just came back from local a anime store today. Before I even crossed the road to get in, I saw a group with two cosplayers, one guy from Naruto (can't recall which character) and Miku from Vocaloid ^^. I really regret not taking a picture =(

Edit: OMFG I actually found the YouTube account for the cosplayer I saw today! What a coincidence XD Small world, huh? (http://www.youtube.com/user/NintengirlX9)


The door had a HUGE poster of Miku, and there were little ones scattered around it. Ottawa must have a Miku obsession XD

Once I got in, I saw tons of different stuffs hangin' around; wallscrolls, cosplay, manga, DVD's (some I could rent), Figmas, plushies, all the good stuff. I even saw a Sonic the Hedgehog plushie, and I really should buy it =P And of course, half the store is splattered in Haruhi Suzumiya stuff, what do'ya expect? XD

I'm kinda broke after just buying myself a new 40" tv, so I really couldn't afford anything, but I felt bad and just got some of these

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1668183/Photo%20on%202009-12-28%20at%2016.35.jpg)

Uhhhh... yaaa..... XD Sorry 'bout wasting your time with this stupid blog entry =P





Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on December 28, 2009, 11:11:14 PM
I wish there were anime stores near where I live, the conventions are always too far away from where I live so I can't get anything from anime without going online.

I don't consider myself an otaku simply because I watch anime and read manga every day, I think about anime nearly all the time. I wish I could get some stuff, especially figurines, DVDs and posters.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on December 29, 2009, 02:18:12 AM
It wasn't boring SDM. I actually thought it was pretty interesting. specially the fact that Haruhi's merchandising is more popular than Naruto's because in Portugal you only 3 kinds of stuffed figures: Pokemon, Naruto and Bleach.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicDaMan on February 09, 2010, 03:22:43 AM
Well, it's been 24 hours now since the GAnime 2010 convention was over. The awesome utopia of anime fans and otaku passed, and now I'm back in reality again =(

Anyways, if anyone cares, this is the stuff I bought from the dealers room:

(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7126/1001315.jpg)

I really needed a wall scroll for room. Just felt empty without one. (Though I'm slightly disappointed by the pinkness, I thought it was red like the logo XD)

Deciding between a generic, over-priced $17 plushie and a hard-to-find $15 vinyl figure...

(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1223/1001317ae.jpg)

And of course, I spent a heck of a lot of time trying to find UY stuff. I was only able to find Ranma 1/2 stuff. Then at the last hour before the dealers were closed for good, I found this =O :icon_mrgreen:

Spoiler (hover to show)

I also got some little things like bookmarks and pins, but I'm too lazy to upload those =P

As a first convention, I had a good experience. It could of been better, but it was still nice to be part of the anime community.





Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: theclaw on February 09, 2010, 04:32:31 AM
I doubt I'll get to see one. No car, and being in a rural place like this...
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: veehive on February 09, 2010, 11:56:42 PM
Nice haul, DaMan-san!

Know what you mean about UruseiYatsura scarcity. When I was at Ohayocon (my 1st anime con) two weeks ago, I only saw ONE UruseiYatsura item (a teeny-tiny Kewpie-Lum on a keychain), although I admit I didn't look through any manga displays.

My next con? Probably Tekkoshocon in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania (a little closer to me than Columbus Ohio!).
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on February 10, 2010, 03:51:17 PM
That's pretty good since in Portugal there are not even one RT stuff in Anime conventions.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: lilwiz on April 09, 2010, 06:12:41 PM
an otaku?
well lets c...

i really like Love Comedies cause im a sucker for super cheesy romance that makes me laugh cept all my friends think im a weirdo lol.Too bad i dont have time anymore to watch :( The guys dont mind too much the fact i love Japanese video games and the girls dont mind too much the mushy/funny romance but they all agree im a japan and Japanese culture lover lol.

Ive never been to any conventions so i dont own anything cept this one Fruits Basket Poster my friend got me for my birthday as a joke lmaoo. I hope i go to Japan one day not only cause its one of the fashion capitals of the world but also cause i would love to buy a cute keychain for my cell phone ^_^ 

so id say a slight otaku yes :P
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Urusei0Yatsura on November 07, 2010, 02:19:47 PM
I'd say I was an Otaku as I am always buying anime and recently manga, I've think I've spent about £400 on anime this year, and I've only just started buying it this year too. I think about this stuff nearly all the time and watch and read it every day.

I have found an anime shop in my area but its stock is tiny.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 07, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
Me too, essentially :p

Though I haven't been able to watch much anime lately, too busy. Just a few weekly shows that are put online after they air in the U.S. on weekends.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: ezikialrage on November 17, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
I consider myself a fan of cartoons regardless if they are from Japan, USA or any other country.

I see Otakus to be the equivolent of trekkie nerds.

 For example there are normal people who have probably seen every episode and movie of the star trek franchise,those people are fans of the eries. THen there are people who have seen every episode and movies of the franchise, go to nerd conventions dress as characters from the series to ask desperate out of work actors stupid questions abut the shows, They sometimes speak made up languages from the show, the collect figurinees,posters and other crap associated with star trek.They most likely have the VHS,DVD versions and as soon as their mom gives them their allowance they will have the complete blue ray version all the star treks and movies.  They have to some sort of superiority complex about startrek shows they watch as though its the best thing in the world while everything else sucks.

Anime fans are no different. There fans who have seen dozens or even hundreds of series, these people are just fans.   Then there  are fans who not only seen dozens or even hundreds of series but the go to nerd conventions, dress as cartoon characters, bastardize the Japanese language by trying to mix it enlgish, they have posters/wall scrolls, figurines, have anime series in various forms like VHS,DVD and blue ray,They have a huge load of mangas, They have some sort of superiority complex about anime as though anime is not cartoons and that all other cartoons suck. And even though most of these people are not fluent in Japanese they will argue until the sun turns blue that dubs suck and subs do not.

  :police: Careful with language. Kids visit this Forum  :police:
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 17, 2010, 10:53:59 PM
That was kind of insulting to me (and likely other users on this forum) o.o

While I do believe that anime and cartoons are two separate categories (as I have laid out in a 40 minute video describing the differences so please don't challenge me in this matter), I don't have any problems with cartoons, ie I don't think they "suck"

I would agree about the bastardizing the Japanese language part, I noticed people were throwin in whatever japanese words they knew sometimes which became a little peeve to me. If I wanna say something in Japanese, I'll go for an actual sentence/phrase (which is rare because I need to be confident that what I am saying is correct :p)

I don't see anything wrong with collecting posters, you can get posters of tons of stuff that wouldn't be considered nerdy, like for bands, singers, TV shows that are not animated, cool poses, etc. Same goes for having a series in DVD or some other video viewing.

I would never say that dubs suck in general because I am neutral. If there is a series that is in Dub I will likely watch it in dub because it is more convenient for me. If not, I have absolutely no problem watching it sub. In fact, it may be better to watch it subbed first cause then if it comes out in dub later, I can enjoy the series a second time with a different experience.

I know the purpose of your post was to compare anime fans to startrek fans, but still, I don't think your definition is too strong, I know you weren't trying to bug anyone though.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: ezikialrage on November 18, 2010, 06:05:18 AM
Quote from: UruseiNeo on November 17, 2010, 10:53:59 PM

I know the purpose of your post was to compare anime fans to startrek fans, but still, I don't think your definition is too strong, I know you weren't trying to bug anyone though.


I think it is good comparison.  You got normal fans  who enjoy anime and to these normal anime fans anime is no different than watching Simpsons, SouthPark, Smallville or any other show that they would watch on tv. Then you got those who not only enjoy anime but take to some cult like social outcast level. I really could have used anything that has normal fans and die hard fanatics to who take it to a social outcast cult like level. Startrek was used as an example because that is known to most people as an example of a certian group of fans taking their fandom beyond healhly levels.



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While I do believe that anime and cartoons are two separate categories (as I have laid out in a 40 minute video describing the differences so please don't challenge me in this matter),

What do you base your assumptions on that anime is somehow a separate category from cartoons instead of just a regional designation for cartoons from Japan?  If someone here in the US made a Urusei Yatsura show for an American audience, used the same style of animation as the Japanese counterpart,and even used stories from the manga. Would you call it a cartoon or would you call it a anime?  What if someone in Japan made a Peanuts(charlie brown) show mostly for a Japanese audience,used the same style of anime and stories from the American comic strips and books.Would you call it a cartoon or a anime?
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 18, 2010, 06:34:58 AM
If they used the same stories and same animation as the original UY, I'd call it an anime, obviously. Those are two of the biggest indicators. I hope you didn't think I based the distinction on location/language alone, that's Urusei0Yatsura :p

No, I distinguish Anime and Cartoons by a number of things. Example: Plot, Character, Themes, Content, Genre, Detail, etc. Again, you can find all this if you watched our video (Anime versus Cartoons parts 1-3)

Startrek would be a better example than others, I suppose. Though you could argue that every show has some kind of ultra level that fans can go to, to some extent. Of course it's harder to relate many series in the same way isn't it, so that's why you used Startrek as the example, I understand *nod*
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on November 18, 2010, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: ezikialrage on November 18, 2010, 06:05:18 AM
If someone here in the US made a Urusei Yatsura show for an American audience, used the same style of animation as the Japanese counterpart,and even used stories from the manga. Would you call it a cartoon or would you call it a anime?  What if someone in Japan made a Peanuts(charlie brown) show mostly for a Japanese audience,used the same style of anime and stories from the American comic strips and books.Would you call it a cartoon or a anime?

You're confusing cultures. Japanese culture is very different from Ocidental cultures. You cannot compare oranges to apples because even though they're fruits, they're not the same. Yes, Cartoons and Anime are animation but it's not the same thing. For some people, they are but there's lots of people that see apples and oranges the same. Not about the taste but have no preference whatsoever.

I respect your opinion but I can't accept that you're putting all fans in one big sack. I love sports and I'm a fan of Sporting Clube de Portugal. I have some scarfs, caps, picture frames, posters, plushies, pens, etc. Are you comparing me to hooliganism? I love fair play. I hate violence in games. I hate when someone is so blind with their own team that won't see the most simple thing in front of him. But hey, I have merchandise so I'm one crazy fan. -.-'

You're assuming EVERY fan that has merchandising, cosplays, talks random japanese and all that it's on their mind is Anime.

I'm an Otaku and proud of it. Yeah, I have some Naruto merchandising, including a poster. Yeah, I cosplayed twice. Yes, I talk randomly japanese but it's quite rare. Yeah, I have japanese music and Anime songs in my mp4. No, I do not like to go to Anime conventions, which I don't go, btw.

Am I insane? Maybe but this isn't insanity. This is called "doing what one likes". I don't care if you make fun of me because I'm 18 years old and still watches "cartoons". Most people are hypocrites. They watch Simpsons and such, yet they make fun of me. And look what's happening in Facebook: everyone put an image of your favourite childish cartoon!

Anyways, here's what's important:

DO NOT COMPARE FANS, OTAKUS TO WEEBOS. People that believe Anime characters are real people, should get help. People that believe they are Anime characters, should get help.

Otakus and fans, do not need help. Hypocrites, do.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: Kroptik on November 18, 2010, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: cata on November 18, 2010, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: ezikialrage on November 18, 2010, 06:05:18 AM
If someone here in the US made a Urusei Yatsura show for an American audience, used the same style of animation as the Japanese counterpart,and even used stories from the manga. Would you call it a cartoon or would you call it a anime?  What if someone in Japan made a Peanuts(charlie brown) show mostly for a Japanese audience,used the same style of anime and stories from the American comic strips and books.Would you call it a cartoon or a anime?

You're confusing cultures. Japanese culture is very different from Ocidental cultures. You cannot compare oranges to apples because even though they're fruits, they're not the same. Yes, Cartoons and Anime are animation but it's not the same thing. For some people, they are but there's lots of people that see apples and oranges the same. Not about the taste but have no preference whatsoever.

I respect your opinion but I can't accept that you're putting all fans in one big sack. I love sports and I'm a fan of Sporting Clube de Portugal. I have some scarfs, caps, picture frames, posters, plushies, pens, etc. Are you comparing me to hooliganism? I love fair play. I hate violence in games. I hate when someone is so blind with their own team that won't see the most simple thing in front of him. But hey, I have merchandise so I'm one crazy fan. -.-'

You're assuming EVERY fan that has merchandising, cosplays, talks random japanese and all that it's on their mind is Anime.

I'm an Otaku and proud of it. Yeah, I have some Naruto merchandising, including a poster. Yeah, I cosplayed twice. Yes, I talk randomly japanese but it's quite rare. Yeah, I have japanese music and Anime songs in my mp4. No, I do not like to go to Anime conventions, which I don't go, btw.

Am I insane? Maybe but this isn't insanity. This is called "doing what one likes". I don't care if you make fun of me because I'm 18 years old and still watches "cartoons". Most people are hypocrites. They watch Simpsons and such, yet they make fun of me. And look what's happening in Facebook: everyone put an image of your favourite childish cartoon!

Anyways, here's what's important:

DO NOT COMPARE FANS, OTAKUS TO WEEBOS. People that believe Anime characters are real people, should get help. People that believe they are Anime characters, should get help.

Otakus and fans, do not need help. Hypocrites, do.

Rage post. xD
But I totally agree.
I'm tired of being called weird just because I like to watch anime every once in a while...
It's like being called a nerd because I game.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 19, 2010, 05:39:50 AM
I was afraid that I'd get yelled at if I went too argumentative, so I was holding back on my posts XD

I wish people could start accepting outside japan shows, like Avatar: The Last Air Bender, as anime. Avatar actually meets many of my requirements for an anime.
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: cata on November 19, 2010, 12:40:09 PM
I consider Avatar to anime because the art seems like it.

But this topic is one of the things that... why should we care for what everyone else thinks? I consider to have cosplayed as Shane McCutcheon and I consider myself an Otaku. Deal with it. x'D
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: ezikialrage on November 20, 2010, 04:26:29 PM
Quote from: UruseiNeo on November 18, 2010, 06:34:58 AM
If they used the same stories and same animation as the original UY, I'd call it an anime, obviously.

 Those are two of the biggest indicators. I hope you didn't think I based the distinction on location/language alone, that's Urusei0Yatsura :p

No, I distinguish Anime and Cartoons by a number of things. Example: Plot, Character, Themes, Content, Genre, Detail, etc. Again, you can find all this if you watched our video (Anime versus Cartoons parts 1-3)
I can find those things watching a x-men, spiderman, the avengers and many other cartoon series.  Anime varies in those things just cartoons from other parts of the world? Have you seen or took a look at Crayon Shin Chan, Dead Leaves, Sazae-san, Angel's Egg, Belladonna of Sadness? Not all anime has the big pan cake eyes,aimed at teens to adults, has a complex plot,theme or character development. Anime just has more variety.  And if you talk to some people they would say that the vast majority of anime is crap and what we outside of Japan generally watch is the cream of the crop.

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Startrek would be a better example than others, I suppose. Though you could argue that every show has some kind of ultra level that fans can go to, to some extent. Of course it's harder to relate many series in the same way isn't it, so that's why you used Startrek as the example, I understand *nod*

I do not know about you but I have never heard of anyone going to a House Md convention,dressing up like Dr. House, talking or acting like him or people going to a Big Bang Theory convection,dressing like the characters on that show,and talking like them.


Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: UruseiNeo on November 20, 2010, 11:52:30 PM
"Not all anime has the big pan cake eyes,aimed at teens to adults, has a complex plot,theme or character development. "

If you watched the video, we say right off the bat that we understand that what we say does NOT apply to ALL anime and ALL cartoons. They are guidelines for the general case.

Crayon-Shin Chan... I'd really rather not call it an anime but since I haven't watch it yet I cannot say for certain whether my guidelines can be applied or not.

Also, we didn't really say that "Anime is aimed at teens and adults" we said that "Anime can be aimed at any age"

now your examples of cartoons... x-men, spider-man... what do they have in common? They are action themed. We already said that action genre cartoons are generally closer to anime is certain aspects such as detail. Their themes are very cartoon cornered, half the time plot is cartoon corner, character design actually goes a full step beyond anime (where anime allows occasional disfigurement, action themed cartoons are more strict to keeping a very realistic figure. Perhaps this note would allow one to better distinguish shows such as Comedy Cartoon --- Anime --- Action Cartoon where the scale is based on character realism).

To effectively use the guidelines in our video, you need to consider every level discussed not just one.

And whose to say that (certain versions of) X-men and whatnot aren't actually closer to anime now?
Title: Re: Would you describe yourself as being an otaku?
Post by: SonicxReiHino on November 21, 2010, 03:20:05 AM
Quote from: Kroptik on November 18, 2010, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: cata on November 18, 2010, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: ezikialrage on November 18, 2010, 06:05:18 AM
If someone here in the US made a Urusei Yatsura show for an American audience, used the same style of animation as the Japanese counterpart,and even used stories from the manga. Would you call it a cartoon or would you call it a anime?  What if someone in Japan made a Peanuts(charlie brown) show mostly for a Japanese audience,used the same style of anime and stories from the American comic strips and books.Would you call it a cartoon or a anime?

You're confusing cultures. Japanese culture is very different from Ocidental cultures. You cannot compare oranges to apples because even though they're fruits, they're not the same. Yes, Cartoons and Anime are animation but it's not the same thing. For some people, they are but there's lots of people that see apples and oranges the same. Not about the taste but have no preference whatsoever.

I respect your opinion but I can't accept that you're putting all fans in one big sack. I love sports and I'm a fan of Sporting Clube de Portugal. I have some scarfs, caps, picture frames, posters, plushies, pens, etc. Are you comparing me to hooliganism? I love fair play. I hate violence in games. I hate when someone is so blind with their own team that won't see the most simple thing in front of him. But hey, I have merchandise so I'm one crazy fan. -.-'

You're assuming EVERY fan that has merchandising, cosplays, talks random japanese and all that it's on their mind is Anime.

I'm an Otaku and proud of it. Yeah, I have some Naruto merchandising, including a poster. Yeah, I cosplayed twice. Yes, I talk randomly japanese but it's quite rare. Yeah, I have japanese music and Anime songs in my mp4. No, I do not like to go to Anime conventions, which I don't go, btw.

Am I insane? Maybe but this isn't insanity. This is called "doing what one likes". I don't care if you make fun of me because I'm 18 years old and still watches "cartoons". Most people are hypocrites. They watch Simpsons and such, yet they make fun of me. And look what's happening in Facebook: everyone put an image of your favourite childish cartoon!

Anyways, here's what's important:

DO NOT COMPARE FANS, OTAKUS TO WEEBOS. People that believe Anime characters are real people, should get help. People that believe they are Anime characters, should get help.

Otakus and fans, do not need help. Hypocrites, do.

Rage post. xD
But I totally agree.
I'm tired of being called weird just because I like to watch anime every once in a while...
It's like being called a nerd because I game.

Yes, I agree with Kroptik about the anime nerd thing. I can't talk to many people about anime because sometimes they've never heard of it, so that differentiates me by a lot. But about the cartoon/anime matter, sometimes its easy to tell if its an anime or cartoon. Like Teen Titans, I figured because of the expressions they use, that its an anime. but i feel better saying american anime for obvious reasons. So most of the time it should be easy to tell whether something is an anime or cartoon. I'd say that I'm an Otaku though, xD because I record anime music, write about anime, watching a lot. Although, what Urusei Neo mentioned about the Urusei Yatsura animation being in something else, I see the point in that.