The World of Urusei Yatsura's Lum
Urusei Yatsura - General => Urusei Yatsura General Discussion => Topic started by: cata on December 29, 2008, 01:04:42 AM
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Hey guys! Well... I think after reading this topic's title you get an idea of what this is about. So I was watching "SailorMoon S" series and on episode 113 the enemy (the monster, not the female that controls the monster) was... Lum! Yes... it was Lum. Well, not as sexy and beautiful as we know her but it's an alternative version of Lum!
I remember that there are a few topics about this but I searched for them and I couldn't find any.
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I saw the episode on youtube that moster did not look or resemble anithing like lum. The only thing they have in similar is that they were tigre stripe clotes. I thing they were making a refrense to the mythology of the oni not the animated series Urusei yatsura.
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If you look closer you can see that it has green hair and horns. It's a female aswell. For those who have watched the series you'll notice that the monsters aren't from mythology, but from nowadays objects. SailorMoon was influenced by the Greek Mythology, not Japanese Mythology. I believe that RT's Lum influenced this monster.
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Are you sure it's not a Rorschach effect, where you're only seeing it because it's what you want to see?
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Ok, let's compare:
Watch Dragon Ball 4th episode. You'll see an oni: white horns, tiger-stripped rags, "dangerous" teeth, muscular and red. He carries a club with him, too. These are common aspects between the tradicional onis.
Of course Lum and this oni are similar but they're very different, too.
I searched for images of female onis and I couldn't find any. I went to wikipedia and it didn't say anything about female and male oni (I didn't read the whole page but I read the most of it so I appologize if I'm not correct. I have to prepare my house to give a warm welcome to 2009.).
In Sailor Moon, there's a rule: every sailor senshi (sailor soldiers) have to be women. And a huge part of their enemies (not only the monsters but the big villains, too) are female. Well, actually every single monster in Sailor Moon is female.
Maybe the creator of Sailor Moon changed the oni a bit so he could fit the story but I think it could really be Urusei Yatsura influence in this one.
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Traditional female oni are actually supposed to be beautiful women who become monsters at night. I don't remember where I learned that, but I do remember learning it from somewhere.
If you're going to mention Dragonball, then let's talk about the actual cameo that appears in Dragonball... there's always the Ten and Torajima cameos I pointed out in this thread (http://www.lum-chan.com/index.php?topic=899.0) when I first started showing up around here.
Personally, I can't say whether the monster you're talking about may or may not be Lum. I absolutely positively refuse to ever watch Sailor Moon (there is a reason that I don't feel like sharing). Why not post a screenshot, so we can decide for ourselves?
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I can't find a screenshot. And in my opinion it's stupid refusing to watch ONE episode of Sailor Moon. You don't even have to watch the whole thing: just push the video thing to the right until you see the monster attacking the girls, pause and examine the monster.
I clicked on the "link" you posted but my Mozilla Firefox can't find a webpage with that address. I don't remember you posting on a thread about Torajima & Ten on Dragon Ball but I guess there's an explanation for it: I was absent for a very very long time and I appologize for that.
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Give me the link to that episode... because the episode 113 that I find in Youtube the monsters doesn't look like Lum... XD
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No wonder, I jacked up the link. It's fixed now. And yes, you were here when I posted it, you replied with a post welcoming me to the forum less than an hour after I posted it.
It's on page 3.
And there's a reason I refuse to watch Sailor Moon. Like I said, I don't want to go into it, but it's a good reason.
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Ah! I remember now! Sorry about that... and here's the link Forgotten requested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_sP5xMv9s
I didn't meant to say that the monster looks just like Lum. I mean Lum is "meant" to be beautiful, sweet, etc. What if Lum was "meant" to be just like the mythological (did I just made up a word? If I did I appologize) japanese oni this could be what she looks like.
In a way, she looks like Lum.
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Hmm... Why do you always call me Forgotten???
Anyway... the tiger strip clothes and the horns... yes they're there...
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they are there but what make you think she was Lum my lady?
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I'm sorry I don't pay atention to what I write (to Mr Falling and to Mr Forgotten).
Dak, I didn't mean that Lum was the demon. I'm trying to say that it reminded me of Lum because they have so many things in common, even though they're oni. It just gave me a "Lum vibe".
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i see, in common you said, just tiger strip and horn, i think i got your point my lady
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Not only that, but the hair aswell.
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ah yes hair colour but hair style is totally different
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Episode-2 of Kono minikuku mo utsukushii sekai (This ugly yet beautiful world), at the 6th minute of the episode, while the characters are dicussing whether the main female character whose just come, is an alien maybe, they start imagin various alien characters from anime including that of "Please Teacher" (in chibi form) and a clear spoof of Lum. Looked just like a chibi version of her only with RED hair and One horn.
But one main thing, a sort of trend that i know UY probly started, is that of Lum sleepin in her closet, or Ataru's closet to be exact.
I have seen atleast three or for anime myself, and these are always anime where a certain foreign/stranger girl start living with the male protagonist.
Two anime that i can think of are "RIZELMINE" and "DearS".
In Rizelmine, Rizel forcefully becomes the main characters wife and starts livin with him, sleepin in his rooms closet; and in DearS, an alien cyborq-like girl starts living with the main character, and sleeps in his rooms closet, also. and "Rizelmine" actually has quite a lot of UY references in it.
UY really may not be a world-famous anime or not as popular as InuYasha or Ranma, however a true UY fan, or atleast i do, wud notice many sort of influences that UY has over many anime, and i often notice clear references in certain titles. UY is truly an iconic anime which has had many influences on the industry, unlike, InuYasha even if popular really aint nothin special.
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Bleach is another example where "Rukia" stays in Ichigo's closet.
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How about Doraemon of Doraemon who stays in Nobita's closet?
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But one main thing, a sort of trend that i know UY probly started, is that of Lum sleepin in her closet, or Ataru's closet to be exact.
I have seen atleast three or for anime myself, and these are always anime where a certain foreign/stranger girl start living with the male protagonist.
Allow me to explain this trend a little. It's used mostly in the "Magical Girlfriend" type of stories. It allows for the male lead and the female lead to live together, whether by force or by choice, to show the characters retaining their "purity". Having them sleep together in the same bed, for example, would portray them as being committed to each other, and accepting their relationship. Think of how big a deal it was in UY the night Ataru and Lum spent alone.
If the characters are portrayed as committed to and accepting of each other, their exploits with others of the opposite gender would give off more of a feel of infidelity, which is generally frowned upon. It's the difference between Ataru being a lovable pervert as opposed to a cheating bastard.
It's a symbolic thing. Good writers understand how the actions of their characters come off, and if they want their characters to be liked by their audience, they will avoid portraying them in a negative light.
UY is truly an iconic anime which has had many influences on the industry, unlike, InuYasha even if popular really aint nothin special.
UY has also been around for 30 years, and still manages to have a fanbase. Inuyasha may be popular (but now that it's finally ended, who can say if that'll last), but Urusei Yatsura is a classic.
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I can find a reference to UY in a Toradora... on Episode 10 the characters go into a dark cave and one of the characters says "Kurai yo! Semai yo! Kowai yo!!"... a clear reference to Shutaro Mendo... and one of the other characters says "Where did I ear that before?"
UY is every where... XD
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I never noticed this till now, "Kowai yo" ...
Kowai means ugly so... Mendou's been yelling "It's Ugly!" this whole time? Is that what the subs replaced with "I'm scared"?
Hmmm... wait, I remember now, "Kowai" means ugly/frightening. So... He's saying "It's scary" but I still dont see why the subbers changed it?
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But one main thing, a sort of trend that i know UY probly started, is that of Lum sleepin in her closet, or Ataru's closet to be exact.
I have seen atleast three or for anime myself, and these are always anime where a certain foreign/stranger girl start living with the male protagonist.
Allow me to explain this trend a little. It's used mostly in the "Magical Girlfriend" type of stories. It allows for the male lead and the female lead to live together, whether by force or by choice, to show the characters retaining their "purity". Having them sleep together in the same bed, for example, would portray them as being committed to each other, and accepting their relationship. Think of how big a deal it was in UY the night Ataru and Lum spent alone.
If the characters are portrayed as committed to and accepting of each other, their exploits with others of the opposite gender would give off more of a feel of infidelity, which is generally frowned upon. It's the difference between Ataru being a lovable pervert as opposed to a cheating bastard.
It's a symbolic thing. Good writers understand how the actions of their characters come off, and if they want their characters to be liked by their audience, they will avoid portraying them in a negative light.
thats quite obvious.
UY is truly an iconic anime which has had many influences on the industry, unlike, InuYasha even if popular really aint nothin special.
UY has also been around for 30 years, and still manages to have a fanbase. Inuyasha may be popular (but now that it's finally ended, who can say if that'll last), but Urusei Yatsura is a classic.
true.
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UY is truly an iconic anime which has had many influences on the industry, unlike, InuYasha even if popular really aint nothin special.
UY has also been around for 30 years, and still manages to have a fanbase. Inuyasha may be popular (but now that it's finally ended, who can say if that'll last), but Urusei Yatsura is a classic.
true.
So true.
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Ok, so TooCool mentioned Rizelmine earlier, so like the loser I am with nothing better to do than watch anime, I decided I'd give it a watch. While doing so, I found this during this part where this kid who's quite obviously a pedophile ranting about his pedo-crush denying that she'll ever age.
(http://www.sidzero.com/lummentionedinrizelmine.png)
Speak of the devil, eh?
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0_0 !
And TooCool forgot to mention THAT??
You know... at my old school, one of the librarians was "Mr. Lum" He was nice, he told me about a media contest and I won a Wii ^_^
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0_0 !
And TooCool forgot to mention THAT??
You know... at my old school, one of the librarians was "Mr. Lum" He was nice, he told me about a media contest and I won a Wii ^_^
hey, brah, i already mentioned- `"Rizelmine" actually has quite a lot of UY references in it.`
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Bleach is another example where "Rukia" stays in Ichigo's closet.
Yep, and a lot later in that anime we see Neliel in her past form.
Kinda looks like Lum, except dead ram skull instead of horns, and she jumps on Ichigo the same Lum would with Ataru:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN-xCMchy9I&feature=related
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What an annoying voice! xD
Well Lum's body isn't hard to find, I mean it's possible to have her body without plastic surgery but Nel's body is just... artificial you know? xD
But yes, she does act like Lum.
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What an annoying voice! xD
Well Lum's body isn't hard to find, I mean it's possible to have her body without plastic surgery but Nel's body is just... artificial you know? xD
But yes, she does act like Lum.
Whats with the "body, plastic surgery and artificial" remark? :p
I only refered to way of act and horn/ramskull (no need to mention green hair, its in the vid)
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You know, I had been sitting here wondering about this new pet peeve I seem to be developing. A pet peeve about all these random old mangas I've been reading lately that seem like the publishers told them to finish the story up in three weeks cause it's getting cancelled. I keep running into these really good stories and so many of them just suddenly end out of the blue with some really crappy ending. I can't seem to decide who to hate more for it, the publishers for just cancelling a good manga before it runs its course, or the mangaka for putting no effort into coming up with a good ending. Even thinking about it gnaws at my patience. I was beginning to wonder if there was anything in the world I could possibly hate more than these endings.
And then I read these posts. And remembered my biggest pet peeve. Women getting catty because they're jealous of each other's bodies. Especially when they start getting all like "OMG I feel fat, I need to go on a diet" when they're the furthest thing from fat. Especially especially the ones that need to put on some meat in the first place. Ugh. Bad memory. Urge to kill rising...
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Women getting catty because they're jealous of each other's bodies. Especially when they start getting all like "OMG I feel fat, I need to go on a diet" when they're the furthest thing from fat. Especially especially the ones that need to put on some meat in the first place. Ugh. Bad memory. Urge to kill rising...
It's more like they're rubbing it in XD
But I actually do need to lose some weight T_T You can base that on the Hare Hare Yukai Dance Video.
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It's powerful, it's miraculous and it's right here...
It's bursting open, it's magical and it's wonderful...
It's lyrical, it's comical and it's enhanced with love...
Look, it's Falling Star! ;D
It's natural, it smiles and it's wonderful...
It's confused and it's tumbling down, yet it still looks like a dream...
Look, it's Falling Star! ;D
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Double you
Tea
Eff
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LoLz
What? You don't like it? :-[
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I thought it was completely random and offtopic....
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I was just commenting about the physical similaries between that bleach's girl and Lum. What's wrong with that? =S
And Sidzero: I do NOT care about weight or whatever. I'm NOT jealous of other girls' bodies. I'm happy the way I am because I don't care about what people think about my appearance. And please DON'T BREAK THE FORUM'S RULES! And if you don't know what I'm talking about, your comment had a curse word in it.
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I thought it was completely random and offtopic....
Off topic? The topic title is... "Urusei Yatsura and its influence on other Manga/Anime/etc"
I was talking about the influence of UY on the etc part... that is me... XD
So from my point of view... no off topic there... ;D
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I did not see any UY reference and it sounded like u were describing yourself.
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I don't think Neriel's body is any less an anatomical impossibility than any other physique in Bleach. When you're comparing body types of female anime characters, shouldn't the art style be taken into consideration? Trying to compare an anime character to a real human being's physique is just kinda silly. I didn't mean to insult you if that's how you've taken (as you seem to have). Your comments just lead me on a train of thought that took me into remembering my aversion to female vanity.
Also, was there any particular point to calling me out on swearing like that after editing my post, cata? I didn't even remember swearing, and I obviously can't go back and see what I said or where I said it. I sincerely hope my intuition is wrong and you're not just trying to nip at my ankles like some chihuahua just cause my comment got you riled up... that wouldn't be very mature, now would it? :)
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Actually, I don't remember any cursing either. I was thinking about asking too....
was it one of those curses that nobody really sees as a curse anymore?
Does "Life's a beach" count as cursing on forums? Just something that popped into my head now...
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Sidzero, you did curse one time at the post that I edited and I'm not that type of moderator that abuses of his/her powers. And the word was s*****
which is a word that is usually censored.
UruseiNeo, it counts as cursing if you wrote beach as in female dog way of writing. I hope you understand what I said.
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I'm trying to think of what curse starts with "s" and clearly the obvious first thought is too short.
Is the word similar to a nail?
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Oh, I probably said sh... (rhymes with city) and you edited it to crappy.
I still think it's stupid that people get offended by words. Well it could be worse, I guess. Like I could be in Iraq or somewhere and get beheaded for kicking someone with the bottom of my foot, or touching someone with my left hand. Actually, it's all equally stupid, so whatever.
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isn't crappy still a swear word?
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Who knows anymore? It was always one of those borderline ones like damn and hell. But these days you hear words like bi~ and sh~ even on broadcast television and radio. Seems the only thing that gets censored anymore are sexual terms and racial slurs.
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I just erased it, didn't change it to other word. And even if we hear and read all those swear and curse words it doesn't make okay to say/write them and personaly I think these kind of words are just like the rest of other words. Curse and swear words are words that everyone likes to say/write them but not everyone likes to hear/read them. I'm just doing this because it's a Forum's rule.
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but you said onidamned on another topic, that's cursing, isn't it?
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Well, isn't our lovely Lum a damned alien? But yes, you may have a point there but damn isn't really a swear word nowadays is it? Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
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but damn isn't really a swear word nowadays is it?
Sounds kinda like what sidzero was saying :p
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Shitty? Was that the word?
Does this help? Shitty (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shitty)
Check out 6.
It's what I think about this... But yeah... rules are good... we should never break the rules... but... sometimes the rule book works more like a guide... for the rest you use our common sense.
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If he can do it, why can't I?
I'm going to my corner and pouting now. :(
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What? What did I say?
I was just trying to guess the secret word... XD
6 letters starts with S and rhymes with city... It could only be Shitty. From my point of view... this is slang... and unless I'm wrong... that isn't cursing/insulting.
But like I said... It's my point of view... And If cata thinks its a curse... then let it be a curse... I'll respect that...
Just don't edit my posts... XD
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Fine I give up. Write whatever you want. But then don't say that I didn't warn you if Mr. Lum-chan comes here and complains about "our" language.
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[this entire post is censored]
:police:
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Well this is not what I would call as "influence" but I found it really interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd1YeBRSxc0
This is a part from Neon Genesis Evangelion episode 3 and around 3:33 (time) the girl (Misato) says something all of us love. xD
Btw, I had no idea where to post this and I didn't feel okay to create a new topic just for one video, so I decided to post here. =)
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ummm I thought u posted this already? 0.o
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No one commented on it so I thought it didn't appeared on the "post updates" so I removed my last post and posted the link again. =\
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I've found another contender for UY's influence! In episode 10 of Toradora, someone says something that we all know. It's Mendo's signature phrase: "Kurai yo! Semai yo! Kowai yo!" It's around 0:30 that it begins. =)
Also, right after it, Kitamura (the guy with in front of the girl) says "where have I heard that before?" which leads me to think that it's a UY reference! =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSi1Mo-zjkc&NR=1
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Cata... besides the double post... (that I understand) One thing made me laugh so hard... when seeing your post... XD
It was almost like a "deja vu" type of thing... XD Mostly because of the post below in this same topic... XD
http://www.lum-chan.com/index.php?topic=1452.msg32109#msg32109
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Cata... besides the double post... (that I understand) One thing made me laugh so hard... when seeing your post... XD
It was almost like a "deja vu" type of thing... XD Mostly because of the post below in this same topic... XD
http://www.lum-chan.com/index.php?topic=1452.msg32109#msg32109
Sorry Falling. I messed up. >.<
I didn't remember you had already posted it. Sorry once again.
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well that is normal, considering that urusei yatsura was a very popular anime/manga in japan and still is.
urusei yatsura is as famous as dragon ball, well, i think that, maybe i'm wrong.